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Angie, on 29 October 2014 at 12:39 pm said:

Disappointed Educoist:

You say: “I was under the impression that if someone has a stigmata that it re-occurs.”

It usually is the case. Gallagher refused to have it tested and, most damning of all, a late follower of hers saw paraphernalia and signs in her room that pointed to self-inflicted wounds. If she had continued to show ‘stigmata’ the pressure would be continuous to prove authenticity and a pretender would not get away with it. She obviously knew that and stopped. It would make anyone question the stories of saints and ask why they were put on pedestals for self harming.

If what Brady has said is a sign of things to come, is the impression that there is a free for all when it comes to ‘religious’ beliefs that hold people in awe, under influence to believe man made icons of the Catholic church, even when fear tactics are used to ply for money. Nor does it seem that any amount of evidence of foul play and thievery will deter con artists and liars of ‘the faith’ to continue. It is up to past members of the H of P to demonstrate and keep putting the evidence out there.

It seems the Catholic church want to distance themselves from the bad press of cultic catholic groups and start fresh, a sort of conscious amnesia, yet they are stuck with historical evidence of abuse that cannot go away. When they condemn others they condemn themselves and when they turn a blind eye to others it does not surprise me because that is what they seem to be doing; so different to what the historical Jesus would have done.

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Eimear Rafferty, on 29 October 2014 at 5:40 am said:

Even the Catholic churches in Achill say nothing, and they most of all are losing revenue, money instead being given to HoP. If they aren’t willing to say anything, (to wit: Brady’s response to DI’s letter) then nothing much will happen.

CG and HoP will end, the whole thing will crumble eventually, just a matter of time. Best thing we can do is ensure our elderly and vulnerable loved ones are informed and kept safe from the numerous and reprehensible con artists out there.

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Eimear Rafferty, on 29 October 2014 at 5:37 am said:

The facts is people are poor after giving to CG/HoP, and CG is rich, as are her kids.

CG is an obese middle aged con artist who has repeated a very old trick. There’s a fool born every minute.

And another relevant adage here is, Evil flourishes when good men do nothing. Bitching online does next to nothing while CG and her minions read our words using them to create their next rebuttal/excuse.

No one is actually doing anything concrete to rid Achill etc of HoP. It’s actually going to be down to the people of Achill to do that and many of them are quite happy at the status quo – namely the money HoP brings in. For them, it’s like having a circus come to town every day of the week. Nice little earner for those bottom feeding off the lies and deceipt.

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Disappointed Educoist, on 16 October 2012 at 1:23 am said:

I was under the impression that if someone has a stigmata that it re-occurs. It is usually suffered by someone who has a very deep spiritual connection to god. If the Stigmata has occurred with Ms Gallagher then it should re-occur and it could be tested to prove its authenticity and it would stop a lot of the controversy surrounding Ms Gallagher. It seems a logical thing to do.

Another thing that puzzles me about all of this is how much money that is involved. Deeply spiritual people don’t live in multi million euro homes and drive series 7 BMW’s. Deeply spiritual people tend to live a very simple life and use money to support those in need. Am I missing something here?

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Angie, on 8 October 2012 at 6:58 pm said:

What puzzles me is why Gallagher’s stigmata was not examined medically at the first opportunity it presented itself. As this was not done there is no way to prove, for definite, that it was a deliberate act on the part of Gallagher to fool people into accepting her spontaneous wounds and healing and her ‘messages’ from Mary, the mother of Jesus.

Anybody can make a prediction about events to come. Where is the proof of Gallagher’s predictions before the events? How is it not specific until it happens? She talked about the late Pope but declined to say what exactly her dire prediction was about. How does she get away with this?

It is certainly not a good sign when a house of prayer rakes in money and does not make their financial accounts available to the people who donate. I listened to a video of a woman who spoke about being pressured into donated to the House of Prayer. On a specific occasion she, and others attending a meeting, were coerced into donating very large sums of money by Fr. McGinnity.

Whether one believes or disbelieves this type of phenomena is a choice. However, when pressure is put by Gallagher to donate and fear tactics used to extract more and more money for protection against dire future events and more money extracted to guarantee a place in heaven, whatever good it has done is seriously undermined. It flies in the face of all decency to influence others into thinking it possible or necessary.

If she was authentic she would volunteer to undergo tests and psychological evaluation to prove any ability she claims to have.

What the wider public are witnessing is financial extortion and spiritual abuse towards people who trust/trusted her.

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lynda jackson, on 7 October 2012 at 7:44 pm said:

Also I seen pictures of christina looking like jesus did on the cross.and holes in her feet with blood that she did herself.mocking our beloved jesus.sick and only satans work.let’s keep praying guys,we are strong and we are clever,with the knowledge god gave us.let’s not let him down and prayer.lots of love to all xxx

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lynda jackson, on 7 October 2012 at 7:34 pm said:

This womans soul needs to be prayed for to bring her back to the loving arms of god.satan has got into her soul to decieve us in the most callous way.satan knew september 11 was to happen as it was his work.so that’s how she knew.about all other stuff too,satan is in this world,making us hate and kill each other.are one and only protection is god.pray to him practise the catholic faith and do not fear satan.god will protect you,he is the power not satan.satans a joke,see him as so.satan got into the souls of priests to do what they did.they lost there way.prayer for them,your prayers will make them strong again to do gods work.love god he will protect you,you are his child.god is loving,caring,kind,has a great sense of humour,the list goes on with how great his is.peace to the world and all our people xxxx

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anon, on 3 September 2011 at 8:17 pm said:

ps iI performed hundreds of miracles too……honest
YOU ARE JUST ADVERTISING

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anon, on 3 September 2011 at 8:15 pm said:

“, the House of Prayer cannot have Church disapproval” which therEfore, according to Mr McGinnitty means ‘the House of Prayer has Church approval’
SOS same old s**t
“The Archdiocese of Tuam has yet to initiate a thorough ecclesiastical investigation into the apparitions to Christina Gallagher.” KEYWORD ‘Thorough’ Theyve looked at it, decided there was no evidence of anything special happening and moved on BUT AGAIN YOU TWIST IT WITH YOUR SORDID AND ENDLESSLY REPETITIVE RHETORIC

YOU ARE LYING TO YOURSELF YOU ARE LYING TO OTHERS YOU ARE LYING TO YOUR GOD-SHAME ON YOU FOR NOT HAVING THE BALLS TO ADMIT WHEN YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING BECAUSE OF ATTACHMENT TO MONEY AND REPUTATION-AND YOU CLAIM TO BE RELIGIOUS?-YOU ARE A FRAUD AND A CAD SIR

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The Sage, on 3 September 2011 at 7:04 pm said:

The Sage is a Catholic who has the right as a Catholic in accordance with the Catholic Church’s guidelines on Marian apparitions, to support and attend Our Lady Queen of Peace Houses of Prayer in Ireland, America and Mexico. The Archdiocese of Tuam has yet to initiate a thorough ecclesiastical investigation into the apparitions to Christina Gallagher. As no definitive ecclesiastical judgement has been rendered and the matter remains open and unproven, the House of Prayer cannot have Church disapproval according to the CDF’s guidelines governing Marian apparitions. Catholics who would welcome Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer in Achill designated a Shrine, should petition Archbishop Neary to interview Christina Gallagher and the witnesses and to examine the reported miracles of healing (spiritual and physical) of which there are over 700 to date.

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anon, on 3 September 2011 at 5:21 pm said:

PS Would the Archbishops unwillingness to condemn voodoo and the belIef in flying saucers mean he belIeves these are all kosher-IT WOULD DO ACCORDING TO HoP LOGIC

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anon, on 3 September 2011 at 5:17 pm said:

The Sage = Fr G McGinnitty

Gerard McGinnity is an author and was Parish Priest of Knockbridge, County Louth, Ireland, a parish of the Archdiocese of Armagh.

Fr. McGinnity has been Christina Gallagher’s spiritual director for many years. He co-authored her biography, entitled Out of the Ecstacy & Onto the Cross – published in 1996, in which he refers to Christina as “God’s prophet”.

Beginning in March 2008, Cardinal Seán Brady, Primate of All Ireland, began holding discussions with McGinnity about his association with Christina Gallagher. His inquiry into the matter was the result of some complaints from former followers of Christina Gallagher

Christina Gallagher’s House of Prayer is located in the Tuam Archdiocese, on Achill Island, in Ireland. On 29 February 2008, the Archbishop of Tuam, Michael Neary, issued a statement saying, in part: “In summary the ‘House of Prayer’ has no Church approval and the work does not enjoy the confidence of the diocesan authorities.”

It seems Fr McGinnitty does not sing from the same hymn sheet as the Archbishop therefore-some might suggest finacial reasons for this parting of the ways, though I wouldnt like to comment

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dialogueireland, on 3 September 2011 at 2:05 pm said:

The Sage = FR McGinnitty
Can. 273 – Clerics are bound by a special obligation to show reverence and obedience to the Supreme Pontiff and their own ordinary.
Can. 404 Cop on: Clerics are bound by a special obligation to show reverence and obedience to the ordinary in a diocese where they frequently perform quasi religious rites in an unrecognised facility where the Eucharist has been removed. Any refusal to do so will result in a long period in purgatory. When the new Archbishop is announced for Armagh, and when we get Benedict onto the case it will not be much different than Dante’s inferno. Smutz in the Church!!
By giving succour to an unrecognised non Catholic operation he confuses the faithful who should be attending their own churches, gives further opportunity to gouge the unsuspecting. He becomes an accessory to bringing the Catholic Church into disrepute.

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The Sage, on 3 September 2011 at 1:50 pm said:

dialogueireland, “Sage get off the Stage, let the cleric speak for himself. Print the correspondence, otherwise we will assume he has a letter outlining Archbishop Neary’s views.”

dialogueireland, isn’t that assumption fallacious? After all, clerics are not under any obligation to answer questions or requests from posters on internet forums. The code of canon law clearly states that clerics are answerable to the Supreme Pontiff and their own ordinary. Have you taken that fact into consideration?

Can. 273 – Clerics are bound by a special obligation to show reverence and obedience to the Supreme Pontiff and their own ordinary.

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dialogueireland, on 3 September 2011 at 1:08 pm said:

FR McGinnitty please publish YOUR private correspondence with Archbishop Neary.
You are going round in circles and we are not going to play ring a rosie with you.
Sage get off the Stage, let the cleric speak for himself. Print the correspondence, otherwise we will assume he has a letter outlining Archbishop Neary’s views.
His silence we will take to mean he is geographically challenged.

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ANON, on 3 September 2011 at 1:07 pm said:

As i said Sage you say nothing new and just repeat the same old repeatedly answered questions
READ AND UNDERSTAND-YOUR LOGIC IS FALLACIOUS
‘Proof by assertion’, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is a logical fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction.
This may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam).
In other cases its repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies.
This logical fallacy is sometimes used as a form of rhetoric by politicians, or during a debate as a filibuster. In its extreme form, it can also be a form of brainwashing. Modern politics contains many examples of proof by assertions. The technique is also sometimes used in advertising.[citation needed
The technique is described in a saying, often incorrectly attributed to Lenin without citation as “A lie told often enough becomes the truth”,

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The Sage, on 3 September 2011 at 5:51 am said:

dialogueireland, on September 3, 2011 at 12:07 am said: “We have nothing to add to this succinct summary: Further to my research today I suggest FR McGinnitty please publish his private correspondence with Archbishop Neary. If he does not we will use your line of argument from silence and will know he was requested to stay in his own Diocese.”

In other words you have no evidence that, “He is going into another diocese where the Archbishop has expressly forbidden him to do so.” Based on your line of argument, if a Catholic in the Archdiocese of New York wants to travel to the House of Prayer in Achill, does he need Archbishop Neary’s permission to go there? Does Archbishop Neary have the authority to write me a letter expressly forbidding me to visit the House of Prayer? Can he order me to stay in my own diocese? Have you been able to locate any canons in the code of canon law that authorize a Bishop to order Catholics including clerics from other dioceses not to travel to his diocese? Please post as soon as you do, as I don’t want to plan a trip to Achill and then get a letter telling me to stay home. A word search of the Archdiocese of Tuam’s statements on the House of Prayer found no use of disobedient, disobedience, not obedient or lack of obedience anywhere to describe Christina Gallagher. Anyone who does a simple internet search will discover that the Catholic Church’s criteria for automatic excommunication does not apply here and you don’t need a canon lawyer to understand that.

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dialogueireland, on 3 September 2011 at 12:07 am said:

We have nothing to add to this succinct summary: Further to my research today I suggest FR McGinnitty please publish his private correspondence with Archbishop Neary.
If he does not we will use your line of argument from silence and will know he was requested to stay in his own Diocese.
The rest as Anon has written is answered about 10 times. Also you act as if the House of Prayer was a Catholic body subject to canon law. It is not Catholic being a private schismatic, pyramid Marian scheme.
When did you excommunicate her, and upon what authority?
You obviously do not understand how excommunication works. If she brazenly and wilfully resists legitimate authority she excommunicates herself.
No she decided she was not a Catholic by excommunicating herself, it has nothing to do with me. I requested you to refer to a canonist not to go online or get coaching from Holy of holes.
Request a canonist to adjudicate and we will publish his conclusions.

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anon, on 2 September 2011 at 6:16 pm said:

Sage, gloves off and all. Woah-Im quaking!

The answers to all your questions are already here and indeed they have been answered repeatedly -but,as ever, you just go on ignoring them

Remember what I said?
‘Proof by assertion’, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is a logical fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction.
This may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam).’

You are just trolling, repeating the same old stuff to waste Dis time. I strongly suggest that DI cease responding to your questions since all that will happen is you will ignore their response and ask the same questions again five minutes later.

In the meantime, I wonder, who is your imagined audience? Are you tellling people at HoP tor ead this bilge you write? Or is it just personal satisfaction that drives you? Either way, I wouldnt give you or your whims the time of day. Why not just stick your head back in the sand until weve all gone away. If you wake up in hell one day, youll know we were right

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The Sage, on 2 September 2011 at 2:26 pm said:

anon when the long and short of the extent of your support is nonsensical rambling, I take the high road and will ignore anon entity incapable of decency or civility. Therefore, this post is addressed to dialogueireland.

dialogueireland, on August 16, 2011 at 10:40 pm said:

“WoW..again…Dialogueireland…you had better stop now before you get in too deep…So now YOU have decided that Christina Gallagher is NOT a Catholic.
No she decided she was not a Catholic by excommunicating herself, by her refusal to accept the legitimate authority of the ordinary. She runs a private Marian sect with a priest who does not get it.
When did you excommunicate her, and upon what authority?
I did not decide this she did when she refused to submit to her bishop. She took a decision that has left her outside the ark.
Also tell me since when are Archbishops empowered to bring regulations into place which contradict the human rights of every citizen of this land…eg to travel unrestricted anywhere, anytime in this land.
If Fr Holy is a legitimate priest he should accept the authority of the Bishop of the diocese he is going into. The bishop has no power over the H of P as it is not a recognised group within the diocese, it is a private operation. It is not under his authority as it refuses to submit. However, Fr Holy is coming to an unrecognised entity and performing religious rites.”

dialogueireland:

1. Where in the Archdiocese of Tuam’s statement does Archbishop Neary prohibit Catholics including clerics, from gathering in prayer at the House of Prayer in Achill?

2. Can. 275.2 – Clerics are to acknowledge and promote the mission which the laity, each for his or her part exercise in the Church and in the world.

3. Which specific activities if any at the House of Prayer are in violation of a directive from Archbishop Neary?

4. Can. 221.3 – The Christian faithful have the right not to be punished with canonical penalties except according to the norm of law.

5. Can. 273 – Clerics are bound by a special obligation to show reverence and obedience to the Supreme Pontiff and their own ordinary.

6. Where in canon law does it state that a Bishop has the authority to order Catholics including clerics from neighboring dioceses to stay out of his diocese?

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Anon, on 2 September 2011 at 6:32 am said:

Sage
Why not look for it yourself-you refuse to accept anything anyone says and then you ask for help? DI dont lie, they deal in facts. And the fact is, if you repeatedly spit in a mans face and then you ask for his favours, you are morally illiterate and it is a waste of time conversing with you and your kind-even gorillas have better morals!

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The Sage, on 2 September 2011 at 12:40 am said:

dialogueireland, on September 2, 2011 at 12:06 am said: “We have already answered that in an earlier post. He is a priest of the Archdiocese of Armagh. He is going into another diocese where the Archbishop has expressly forbidden him to do so.”

dialogueireland, I must have missed that post and I can’t find that statement on the Archdiocese of Tuam’s website either. Can you repost the actual statement?

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dialogueireland, on 2 September 2011 at 12:06 am said:

We have already answered that in an earlier post. He is a priest of the Archdiocese of Armagh. He is going into another diocese where the Archbishop has expressly forbidden him to do so. He expresses his contempt for the AB of Tuam by continuing to go there and assisting in a schismatic, venal pyramid Marian ponzi scheme. We have evidence of cheques made out to him. He is clearly involved with simony as well.
Can I spell it out clearer. The fact that the two Archdioceses do not clarify and spell out that any Catholic going to the House of Prayer is aiding in and abetting in Elder Abuse and when the time is come and the evidence comes to light rather than what we currently have which is intelligence they will have to account for their silence. To finally make it clear, the House of Prayer may have genuine Catholics who visit in the misguided view that it is Catholic.
Nothing could be further from the truth, it is a private commercial money grabbing front with a priest play acting he is pious. He is personally responsible for ruining hundreds of individuals and families.
Dialogue Ireland in the absence of a clear statement from a Catholic Theologian intends to ask for the opinion of a Theologian who studied under the current Pope and ask him to post his opinion on this site asap.

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anon, on 1 September 2011 at 9:24 pm said:

http://animalsbeingdicks.com/page/36

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The Sage, on 1 September 2011 at 7:55 pm said:

The Sage, on September 1, 2011 at 7:03 pm said:

dialogueireland, on September 1, 2011 at 12:25 pm said: ………”with a priest who is totally disobedient”……..

dialogueireland: What is the evidence to substantiate this statement?

anon: since you are posting most of the comments today, can you answer my question?

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anon, on 1 September 2011 at 7:11 pm said:

Are these types of argument really all you have?

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anon, on 1 September 2011 at 7:10 pm said:

Ad lapidem (Latin: “to the stone”) is a logical fallacy that consists in dismissing a statement as absurd without giving proof of its absurdity.The form of argument employed by such dismissals is the argumentum ad lapidem, or appeal to the stone’

Ad lapidem statements are fallacious because they fail to address the merits of the claim in dispute. Ad hominem arguments, which dispute the merits of a claim’s advocate rather than the merits of the claim itself, are fallacious for the same reason.
The same applies to proof by assertion, where an unproved or disproved claim is asserted as true on no ground other than that of its truth having been asserted.
The name of this fallacy is attributed to Dr. Samuel Johnson, who refuted Bishop Berkeley’s immaterialist philosophy (that there are no material objects, only minds and ideas in those minds), by kicking a large stone and asserting, “I refute it thus.”
This action, which fails to prove the existence of the stone outside of the ideas formed by perception, fails to contradict Berkeley’s argument, and has been seen as merely dismissing it.

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anon, on 1 September 2011 at 7:07 pm said:

‘Proof by assertion’, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is a logical fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction.
This may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam).
In other cases its repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies.

This logical fallacy is sometimes used as a form of rhetoric by politicians, or during a debate as a filibuster. In its extreme form, it can also be a form of brainwashing. Modern politics contains many examples of proof by assertions. The technique is also sometimes used in advertising.[citation needed

The technique is described in a saying, often incorrectly attributed to Lenin without citation as “A lie told often enough becomes the truth”, although the user may not be intentionally promoting a lie and may just believe an illogical or faulty proposition.

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The Sage, on 1 September 2011 at 7:03 pm said:

dialogueireland, on September 1, 2011 at 12:25 pm said: “Your handler gave you the lines Sage.”

Your assessment of my status as a practicing Roman Catholic is as inaccurate as your ideas on ‘my handler’. The Catholic Church has guidelines governing Marian apparitions and anyone interested to learn about the rights of Catholics to support Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer can go re-read the posts by Judith.

dialogueireland, on September 1, 2011 at 12:25 pm said: ………”with a priest who is totally disobedient”……..

dialogueireland: What is the evidence to substantiate this statement?

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anon, on 1 September 2011 at 6:48 pm said:

It appears you do not read the posts on this site

……….with prudent discernment

F A K E

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joanna, on 1 September 2011 at 6:12 pm said:

It appears you do not read the posts on this site.

ANON, on August 25, 2011 at 4:53 pm said:
“THE ARCHBISHOP SAID No evidence of supernatural phenomena had been observed. No Church approval.”

THE MYTH BUSTER, on August 18, 2011 at 7:38 pm said:
……”BUT…NEITHER…DOES…the House of Prayer in Achill HAVE Church disapproval…And of course, the House of Prayer cannot be declared a Shrine until the apparitions to Christina Gallagher have been investigated by the Archdiocese of Tuam. Those who would like the Catholic Church to designate the House of Prayer a Shrine should contact the Archdiocese of Tuam requesting Archbishop Michael Neary begin an investigation of the apparitions. If enough people petition for an investigation it may materialize. Remember to submit your testimonies of spiritual and physical healings received through your association with the House of Prayer in Achill as well as the Houses of Prayer in America and Mexico – to the Archdiocese of Tuam.”

Judith, on August 29, 2011 at 1:44 am said:
This statement on voice of the people is a response from the Archdiocesan office to a query from an Irish newspaper in September 2000 – “no declaration of any kind by an ecclesiastical authority in this Archdiocese which might indicate that Mrs. Gallagher’s standing as a Catholic is anything other than good. Ecclesiastical authorities ….have never at any time discouraged people from visiting Mrs. Gallagher in Achill and learning more about her work.”
http://www.voiceofourladyspilgrims.com/obedience.html

Judith, on August 29, 2011 at 2:09 am said:
“While recognising the difficulty involved in treating such matters, I find myself obliged to state that no evidence has been presented which might prove beyond reasonable doubt the occurrence of supernatural phenomena of whatever kind in this situation other than that of faith. Mrs. Gallagher and her associates retain, of course, the right to believe and state their belief that such have indeed occurred and continue to occur. The question, as far as competent ecclesiastical authority is concerned, remains open and unproven.”
“In summary the ‘House of Prayer’ has no Church approval and the work does not enjoy the confidence of the diocesan authorities”

On the one hand, “The question as far as competent ecclesiastical authority is concerned, remains open and unproven”…. BUT… “In summary the House of Prayer has no Church approval.”

These two statements cancel out each other and we are right back to square one, since neither the Archdiocese of Tuam nor any other ecclesiastical body has made a judgement on the apparitions to Christina Gallagher.

Judith, on August 29, 2011 at 6:21 am said:
http://www.sdbv.org/html/defense_of_private_revelations.html
“In cases of private revelation, Pope Benedict, when Cardinal and prefect for the CDF, tells us that until the Church has made a definitive and canonical judgment, the faithful are free to accept Private Revelation with prudent discernment…. And we are free to believe in a private revelation unless the proper examination and its results show just cause for a negative judgment. Because unless this has happened it is mere persecution to give a negative judgment when the facts of the case show no doctrinal errors, an authentic ecstasy, and sound moral character of the seer along with good fruits….According to canon 212, if someone has knowledge that a Bishop’s commission’s actions did not follow properly the norms set down by the church they have the right to make it known to the faithful for the good of the church, so long as it does not impugn church teaching, is not irreverent toward those in authority and it upholds the dignity of persons.”

The Sage, on September 1, 2011 at 12:05 am said:
The Archdiocese of Tuam is yet to initiate a thorough investigation into the apparitions to Christina Gallagher: she has not been interviewed or examined; the witnesses have not been interviewed; the miracles of healing have not been examined.

and so

the faithful are free to accept Private Revelation with prudent discernment…

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dialogueireland, on 1 September 2011 at 4:23 pm said:

Recycling old tapes does not improve your chance of getting past our filters. Please use the green bin on your way out!
1+1 = 2 Am I a mathematician no?

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anon, on 1 September 2011 at 3:06 pm said:

“Finally, anon, is your argument so feeble, that it is: ‘because they don’t sue, the lies must be true’ ???”
Finally, Joanna of the House of Prayer, is your argument so feeble, that it is: ‘because they don’t investigate, the miracles must be true’ ???”
Your logic

You faied to address this

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anon, on 1 September 2011 at 3:05 pm said:

As far as I am concerned, the Archbishop, who is the official spokesman of the Catholic Church, has already expressed his opinion; he is of the same opinion. You are the one who is not.
As for who is a Catholic please go to an independent canon lawyer and ,you will find by your continued involvement with this pyramid Marian scam you have excommunicated yourself by your wilful and persistent support of this fake, a fake whose activities the Church has distanced itself from.
Am I a Catholic? Are you?

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Joanna, on 1 September 2011 at 3:02 pm said:

Joanna, happy to be associated in any way with Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer. :)

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Joanna, on 1 September 2011 at 2:56 pm said:

As a baptised Catholic, I am happy to await the judgement of the Holy Catholic Church on Christina Gallagher, do you presume to pre-judge? Are you a Catholic?

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anon, on 1 September 2011 at 2:41 pm said:

“Finally, anon, is your argument so feeble, that it is: ‘because they don’t sue, the lies must be true’ ???”

Finally, Joanna of the House of Prayer, is your argument so feeble, that it is: ‘because they don’t investigate, the miracles must be true’ ???”

Your logic

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Joanna, on 1 September 2011 at 2:24 pm said:

dialogueireland, The Archdiocese of Tuam is yet to initiate a thorough investigation into the apparitions to Christina Gallagher; she has not been interviewed or examined; the witnesses have not been interviewed and the miracles of healing have not been examined and your comments of judgement have no bearing. You cannot be the judge of this. Infact you are not even a Roman Catholic, are you?

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Joanna, on 1 September 2011 at 1:25 pm said:

Anon, I invited you to simply reread the comments made by The Sage because they simply got to the point without need for any further logical reasoning or justification.

For example

dialogueireland, on August 30, 2011 at 10:19 pm said:
In summary they bypass their local churches and do not partake of the Eucharist the centre of the Catholic faith …

The Sage reply was:
The Sage, on August 31, 2011 at 2:54 pm said:
It is perfectly normal for Roman Catholics to gather in prayer outside of the Liturgy. Various apostolates dedicated to prayer can be found in every Catholic Diocese in the world. This is because through prayer, Catholics are called to become the ‘love in the Heart of the Church’. Prayer is an opening to God which enables one to receive graces not only for oneself but also for others. Our Lady Queen of Peace Houses of Prayer (Ireland, America and Mexico) embrace St. Paul’s exhortation to “pray constantly, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.” (1 Thess 5:17-18) Through constant prayer, we Roman Catholics receive the grace to become the ‘love in the Heart of the Church.’

It is so simple but perhaps it is, that you do not wish to acknowledge the truth in any of this matter.

Anon, as a demonstration of your logic, please explain how the following paragraph in my previous post, as you say ‘proves that you hold a position of standing within the HoP’?

and anon, I am not, nor have I been angry in the slightest, nor have my words been angry. I am merely putting the record straight when you and others, including dialogueireland choose; to misrepresent the truth with an intention of inciting hatred and defaming a person or persons character; and to falsely criticise the work of Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer and the pilgrims who go there to pray in accordance with their Catholic faith.

I am a pilgrim who travels to the House of Prayer to pray in accordance with my Catholic faith and I cannot and will not let your false statement about this enormously peaceful, prayerful and holy place be left unchallenged.

With regard to the ‘us’ and ‘them’ thing, this is simply something you are creating. Looking back over some of the posts on this site, I see that an acceptable use of pronouns has been adhered to at all times!

Happily, I am neither deluded nor gullible and I challenge your wildly false statements about the House of Prayer and the people involved.

Finally, anon, is your argument so feeble, that it is: ‘because they don’t sue, the lies must be true’ ???

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dialogueireland, on 1 September 2011 at 12:25 pm said:

Your handler gave you the lines Sage. We do not need to you to rehearse them. Just leave the schismatic and return to the Catholic Church and all can be forgiven. Obviously Catholics can pray anywhere but you were advocating the Eucharist but are in a group that don’t have it. Get it.
Please go to an independent canon lawyer and then, you will find by your continued involvement with this pyramid Marian scam you have excommunicated yourself by your wilful and persistent support of this fake and by associating yourself with a priest who is totally disobedient and what is worse that his pastor a Cardinal refuses to act. That is truly unconscionable. His persistent refusal to discipline a priest in his care gives you licence to continue in your folly. However, ex opere operato — The grace of God is not dependent on the minister whether a lowly deacon or a Cardinal.
dialogueireland, I was baptized a Roman Catholic and have neither willfully separated myself from the Church nor have I been excommunicated.

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anon, on 1 September 2011 at 11:46 am said:

Pretend Messages from a Pretend Prophetess-Is this not just a carbon copy of House of Prayer type scam? They are ten a peny

Flagrante Delicto

Debunking the July 2008 Pretended Message

For well over 15 years now, Gianna Sullivan has filled the minds of her followers with rambling dribblings allegedly given to her by Mary, the Blessed Mother, without public challenge, save the September 2000 rebuke by the Archdiocese of Baltimore. These pretend messages can be found on countless websites, posted by duped followers who consider them holy words above and beyond the the bible.

As of now, Gianna’s ability to issue her messages unchallenged is over.

But before we begin, we need to revisit some inconsistencies in a few recent messages.

In her purported Memorial Day message of May 26th, Mary supposedly warns us that:

“With the stars aligning and moving in their own orbits, what is to come, sooner then you know, could result in the death of 70% of the earth’s population.”

Yet, just five days later, Mary has changed her warning to:

“After a while, you will see a time when there is another body in orbit around your solar system, coming between Earth and the Sun and leading to tremendous devastation. Approximately 60-70% of the world’s population, as you know it, will cease. Of those who survive, 60% of them could die of disease and starvation.”

What gives? One week Mary is giving us an exact figure of 70% destruction, and the following week another? Did the Apocalyptic statistics branch of heaven run a new computer simulation and come up with an updated death figures? Did Mary get it wrong? Doubtful. Which leaves us only one conclusion, Gianna must have gotten it wrong. And if she got this wrong, what else did she get wrong? We’ll explore all her failed prophecies in a soon to be released series of new articles … In the mean time, let’s get on to wasting your time with the latest ‘Pretend Messages for a Pretend Prophetess.’

While we hoped we would be able to really sink our teeth into the July message, we were disappointed in the unusual blandness of the message, especially given that the June message was filled with such doom and gloom! What happened? One month we’re supposed to be preparing for the end of times, the next message – nothing. What’s up with that?

“Public Message Our Lady of Emmitsburg
To the World through Gianna Sullivan
(Or she claims)

July 13, 2008

Little children, praised be Jesus!

Dear children, I am a Mother, “full of Grace.” I have extended my hand to you. I have presented my Most Adorable and Merciful Son to you. Yada, Yada, Yada…

Children, you all possess the same Spirit of Grace that God has gifted you. Why then do you tear one another apart? Why is there not harmony and unity? My Son’s Peace is that of holiness and justice. You do not realize the tears, the penance and the sacrifices made at a price for your existence! There are hidden heroes around the world whose love is their life’s mission. They pray to love; and oftentimes they come between you and God, warding off Divine punishment. They pray for a spiritual transfusion and for conversion of hearts. The reference to the followers tearing each other apart is not new, it can be found in other supposed messages whenever there was severe dissension in the ranks. Hmm…, I wonder what could be causing severe dissension in the ranks this time … maybe a loony prediction about the twin suns making fly-bys and bringing about the end of the world, which every astronomical society in the world calls bunk? Or maybe it’s because their ‘group’ is being equated to a cult and people are taking a hard second look at the group and not liking what they see?

It was the same during the time of my Son. The Pharisees, the Sadducees and the Scribes did not bear fruit through their repeated sins. They desired to persecute, to conquer, to dominate and to distort the goodness of my Son and the Truth of His Word. Is it not the same today—with “pharisees” living with hardness of heart, desiring to tear down, persecute and dominate? Is there not lust, gluttony, hatred and selfishness? Ok, here’s the real subliminal message in the pretend message: ‘Everyone that is attacking me (Gianna) is evil and filled with hatred.’ We have to admit, this is a great follow-up on the June message where the followers are instructed not to trust the leaders of their country and church. Can you say ‘Siege Mentality?’

So today, I can tell you that true Charity will be precisely gifted upon those who are scorned, mocked, persecuted and laughed at Little ones, when something is real, you cannot stop God! No judgment from men can impair or influence the Judgment of God. You would only be fighting God. More classic siege mentality stuff. Don’t trust those who have spent their lives studying planetary science, trust me because I’m your leader. I know all! Better yet, if you do trust me, you’ll be rewarded with salvation … hmm, is that the same line used by the leader of the Heaven’s Gate cult just before he told them to all commit suicide?

I am your Mother, “full of grace”; and my Merciful Son has allowed me to distribute these graces to you. I have a duty as a Mother to warn, to challenge, to protect and to draw all people to God. Please, receive these graces while I am still allowed. What? Is God finally on to you? Is He going to revoke your hallway pass for bilking man by supposedly revealing timelines and events that He alone is supposed to know?

Seals (Rev. 6:1-17) have been broken one by one, but if all the seals were broken at once, humanity would not be able to survive. More classic siege mentality stuff! It’s important to continue to throw out scares, just to shore up you base in case some of the followers are beginning to catch on that you are loony. The best way to keep them on your side is to claim some secret that you alone know so that they have to stick around if they want to hear it. One follower even goes so far as to say “Gianna has also received the 10 secrets from the Blessed Mother concerning the future.”

For those who have ears, hear! “We are not leaving.” Neither are we , every time you come out with dribble like this, we’re going to call you on it.

I love you. I love you (fading whisper—crying). Oh, give us a break!

(During the apparition but before the audible message from Our Lady through Gianna to the world, Gianna’s eyes and head panned the entire width of the room from her right to her left as Our Lady moved from the center of the room to Her far left, upward and back to the center, and to Her far right, before returning back in front of Gianna. Throughout this entire time, a kaleidoscope of color in the form of rays flowed from Our Lady’s hands onto the entire crowd in the building. Those gathered at the Prayer Group saw on the giant screen monitors the ecstatic joy on Gianna’s face, for NEVER before had Gianna seen such an expression of Our Lady’s love. Our Lady shared with Gianna that she was distributing God’s graces to all.)” What???? What??? Did anyone actually see this other then the pretend Prophetess? Is any of this on video tape? ‘NEVER before had Gianna seen such an expression of Our Lady’ love’ Never???? We’re speechless by the sheer level of bunk here.

As noted above, this message is filled with classic siege mentality material. So we thought it worth giving our readers a brief overview of what siege mentality is all about.

So what is Siege Mentality?

Cults often develop a siege mentality and seek to isolate themselves from influences that might interfere with total adherence to the cult. Cults and fringe sects of religion, such as Young Earth Creationists follow a simple credo – Science is bad, Revealed Knowledge is good. It doesn’t matter what some PhD Scholar is telling you. It doesn’t matter what some amateur skywatcher with her own 8-inch telescope tells you. It doesn’t matter what mathematicians, astronomers, geologists or meteorologists are telling you. All that matters is the cult leader’s revelations.

Membership in cults may begin with a sudden conversion experience where an individual feels that ultimate truth has been glimpsed. This may lead to zealotry, the conviction that the cult view is the only possible view, which therefore must be promulgated to the beknighted or is too refined to be understood by others. A persecution complex and siege mentality may result: cult members feel that the world is the enemy and that only martyrdom will vindicate their faith.

The tools with which cult leaders claim “undue influence” over their followers starts with recruiting from a pool of idealistic, but directionless and vulnerable, people; isolate them from old connections; create a siege mentality that pits the group against the world; and finally, foster utter dependence on the leader.

A kind of siege mentality — us versus THEM — develops. Because cult members see themselves as different from and superior to others, they begin to disassociate themselves both physically and mentally from the community in general. Cult leaders or doctrine warn members to be wary of the ways of the unwashed. Those which are outside the cult or who disagree with its teachings or leaders are seen as part of the conspiracy against the organization. Often, this is phrased as being “of the devil” or as coming from a state of depravity or lack of proper spiritual enlightenment. And, any criticism of the cult from such people is immediately dismissed as coming from the mind of the unenlightened. Disagreement with and criticism of the cult is considered persecution of it. Members are reminded that they are persecuted because they are the “True” followers of God.

One of the inevitable results of the “us-vs-them” mentality is that cult members cease to socialize with outsiders. Alienation from friends and family result. This means that, ultimately, former friends become part of the conspiracy, tools of the devil and his deception.

Not surprisingly, this league of conspiracy inevitably comes to include anyone who is not in the ranks of the organization, and who is not under its influence. The cult will often claim that the conspiracy includes the government, the news media, unsupportive friends and family.

The society cult develops internal mechanisms to cope with the threat by increasing pressure among society members towards conformity, unity and mobilization. This pressure can take various forms, like calls for unity, calls for patching-up or concealment of disagreement within the group, as well as threatening (and carrying out) negative sanctions against those who disagree within the group.

With this is mind, re-read the June 1st and the latest supposed messages from Mary … and note the siege mentality wording in each. http://ww.emmitsburg.net/cult_watch/pm/july.htm

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anon, on 1 September 2011 at 11:41 am said:

Actually, I think youll find we are NOT discussing religious issues, we are discussing cults and financial abuse; attempts to construe this as religious are simply efforts to delude others to the same extent as you delude yourself-This is nothing to do with religion and all about money and power. You may think by using such language it means God is on your side, but this is just empty sophistry

As for your simple denial of my assertions re Sages use of language,it is simply that, a denial and is not supported by any logical reasoning or justification

Your final ‘holier than thou’ passage, which clearly porves you hold a position of standing within the HoP, is merely an attemt to rally the troops behind you, to create an Us versus them, siege type mentality, both of which are well known cult characteristics

Finally, you claim DI misrepresent the truth. As far as I can see, all of the information which their critiques are based on find their origin in the words of the Archbishop and in the stories in the Press about your scam. if they are untruths, how come you didnt sue?

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Joanna, on 1 September 2011 at 10:32 am said:

Given that we are discussing matters of a religious nature, I think it perfectly reasonable for the Gospel quotations to be used. The responses made by The Sage to your criticism, if you read them, are valid and true and perhaps it is that you do not wish to acknowledge this. The words of Our Lord however are not used out of place. They support what he has said. Your definition of ‘loaded language’ bears no relation to the way The Sage has used the Gospel quotes as your example demonstrates perfectly.

and anon, I am not, nor have I been angry in the slightest, nor have my words been angry. I am merely putting the record straight when you and others, including dialogueireland choose; to misrepresent the truth with an intention of inciting hatred and defaming a person or persons character; and to falsely criticise the work of Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer and the pilgrims who go there to pray in accordance with their Catholic faith.

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anon, on 1 September 2011 at 9:36 am said:

Of course, it appears to be simple biblical quotation but, when everything you say is repeatedlycolored by such quotation (Someone asks,”Excuse me, but do you have the time” and you come back with stuff like “To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:.A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;” [Ecclesiastes 3:1-8]) it transforms the nectar of biblical teaching into ‘cult speak’

My advice?
Let thy words be few.(Ecclesiastes 5:2) Otherwise, you give the game away (Whoops! You already have!)

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Anon, on 1 September 2011 at 7:50 am said:

Sage, your repeated use of biblical quotation is nothing more than the cultic phenomena of language loading

Loaded Language

“Loading the language” is another common theme in a cultic setting. A special jargon that gives the members a feeling of exclusiveness and that they possess some esoteric knowledge. This “loaded language” helps build solidarity amongst an elite group that speak the same cultic verbiage/lingo. It also gives the newcomer yet an extra incentive to become more involved with the group–in order to learn this language and understand what everyone is saying. Loaded Language is characterized by “thought terminating” buzz words and phrases that constrict thinking and typically replace any meaningful and independent critical analysis. This can become overwhelming and dominate the member’s speech and conversation–while also binding the group together through their common language. http://www.rickross.com/reference/ge…eneral431.html

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The Sage, on 1 September 2011 at 12:48 am said:

dialogueireland, on August 31, 2011 at 11:43 pm said: “THE HEALER and Jesus Christ the Divine Healer in the Eucharist performs miracles of healing at every Catholic Liturgy celebrated every day in the Roman Catholic Church. Well said, unfortunately you are not part of the Catholic church and you do not have the Eucharist present in the H of P. So please stop acting as if you are in when you are fakes.”

dialogueireland, I was baptized a Roman Catholic and have neither willfully separated myself from the Church nor have I been excommunicated. I am therefore still a Roman Catholic. While it is true the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the most perfect form of prayer, Catholics also have the right to pray together if they so choose outside of the Liturgy. It is not a case of either/or but in- addition to. We are encouraged to pray constantly and you can pray in the privacy of your own home, join a prayer group and you can also pray at Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer. Jesus did say: “For where two or three are gathered in My name, there am I in the midst of them.” (Matt. 18:20)

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The Sage, on 1 September 2011 at 12:05 am said:

The Archdiocese of Tuam is yet to initiate a thorough investigation into the apparitions to Christina Gallagher: she has not been interviewed or examined; the witnesses have not been interviewed; the miracles of healing have not been examined.

P.S., Jesus Christ IS “the way and the truth and the life” (Jn. 14:6)

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dialogueireland, on 31 August 2011 at 11:50 pm said:

Where is Donal Corr is he not back from his Vacate-ation? I wonder if he met one of the director’s of the Texas branch of the Marian Pyramid scheme Jim Lynn? Mirror mirror on the wall who is the best at cleaning out the pockets of them all. Hopefully Fr Be Jumping jack flash is back at knock knock who is at the bridge.
I just can’t forget what the monk from Mellary said about the voice behind sage -Gob—-. Shock release

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dialogueireland, on 31 August 2011 at 11:43 pm said:

THE HEALER and Jesus Christ the Divine Healer in the Eucharist performs miracles of healing at every Catholic Liturgy celebrated every day in the Roman Catholic Church.
Well said, unfortunately you are not part of the Catholic church and you do not have the Eucharist present in the H of P. So please stop acting as if you are in when you are fakes

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anon, on 31 August 2011 at 9:30 pm said:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/hugo-chavez-says-castro-and-jesus-cured-him-of-cancer-54308/

get of your soapbox man, Christine Gallagher is the way (for a price) and dont you forget it

I love the way you bathe in the glory of the Catholic Church in attempt to establish your own orthodoxy-Doesnt the fact that the Catholic Church has publicly disassociated itself from your activities ever make you question you right to bathe in its light?

Actually, this is a waste of time because you are clearly totally loopy and blind to reason ( I’ll pray for you)

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The Sage, on 31 August 2011 at 6:51 pm said:

anon, “we” can’t cure for “we” are not Jesus, the Divine Healer. Jesus Christ is THE HEALER and Jesus Christ the Divine Healer in the Eucharist performs miracles of healing at every Catholic Liturgy celebrated every day in the Roman Catholic Church. You can also receive healing when you pray for yourself and when others pray for you, if it is the Will of God that you be healed.

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anon, on 31 August 2011 at 6:16 pm said:

We cure cancer-give me a break-you should be sued under the trades descriptions act

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anon, on 31 August 2011 at 6:14 pm said:

ORTHODOXY IS NOT DETERMINED BY HOW MANY PEOPLE YOUVE CONNED

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The Sage, on 31 August 2011 at 6:00 pm said:

anon, the book “Our Lady Touches Ireland and the World” documents the testimonies of the many people who have received physical and spiritual healing through their association with Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer since its dedication in 1993. Did you know that there are reports of over 700 healings of various afflictions such as blindness and of ten different forms of cancer, multiple sclerosis, arthritis, etc., to date? As Jesus Christ the Divine Healer said, “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.” (Jn. 15:5)

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anon, on 31 August 2011 at 5:28 pm said:

Maybe you need to look at the definitions of apostasy and orthodoxy before you attempt to claim your own orthodoxy in this atmosphere of ignorance

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The Sage, on 31 August 2011 at 4:38 pm said:

anon, you misunderstand the nature of the Roman Catholic faith. Catholic means universal and there are different charisms in the universal Church. For instance, there are many religious orders in the Catholic Church i.e., (Carmelite, Benedictine, Franciscan, Dominican) to name a few. If you belong to the Benedictine Order you are neither inferior nor superior to a Carmelite for we are all sinners in need of God’s saving grace. Jesus said: “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.” (Jn. 15:5)

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anon, on 31 August 2011 at 4:28 pm said:

PS
“Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude” (Colossians 2:6-7)
Is that how you show gratitude-biting the hand that fed and nurtured you?

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anon, on 31 August 2011 at 3:54 pm said:

Sorry, that ‘holier than thou’ pedestal youve climbed up onto is way out of my lowly earshot. Guess the kingdom of heaven is only open tot the chosen few (that would be HoP members becase everyone else is misguided and deluded viz a viz the nature of the Catholic faith)
Yours
A mere mortal

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The Sage, on 31 August 2011 at 2:54 pm said:

It is perfectly normal for Roman Catholics to gather in prayer outside of the Liturgy. Various apostolates dedicated to prayer can be found in every Catholic Diocese in the world. This is because through prayer, Catholics are called to become the ‘love in the Heart of the Church’. Prayer is an opening to God which enables one to receive graces not only for oneself but also for others. Our Lady Queen of Peace Houses of Prayer (Ireland, America and Mexico) embrace St. Paul’s exhortation to “pray constantly, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.” (1 Thess 5:17-18) Through constant prayer, we Roman Catholics receive the grace to become the ‘love in the Heart of the Church.’

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anon, on 31 August 2011 at 10:06 am said:

Anger and arrogance-Mmm, very Christian. Still, I guess all this adverse publicity is costing a fortune-think of the money you could have made if people had kept their mouths shut; think of the thousands of followers. To have had so much power and wealth within ones grasp, only to have it taken away must be infuriating, and clearly is from the manner of your responses. Ah well, back to the drawing board.

Heres a suggestion: Place your faith in God and the Church, practice Catholicism sincerely, from your heart, under the guidance of a qualified priest.

Religion is not a business, its not about convincing others of the truth of your ideas, and it most certainly should not be about making money and gathering followers. If you are not concerned about these things, why react in the way you do? What harm can mere criticism do to you in the eyes of God?He knows you as you are, not how others see you.

Place the faith you have in mortals in God and stop your childish organzational devotion

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Joanne, on 30 August 2011 at 10:40 pm said:

You talk rubbish while congratulating yourselves on your expertise while knowing nothing.

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dialogueireland, on 30 August 2011 at 10:19 pm said:

In summary they bypass their local churches and do not partake of the Eucharist the centre of the Catholic faith and go to a schismatic pyramid liturgy where the only grace dispensed
is from a cash machine

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anon, on 30 August 2011 at 10:06 pm said:

You sound remarkably demonic,’we’ the members of the religiously perfect and superior. I for one, as a religious person who practices my faith regularly, find a sense of aloneness with God arises, not some sort of group mentality-Is this a manifestation of the Us versus them mentality prevalent in cults I wonder?

Check out the list of cult characteristics listed elsewhere on this site and see how many boxes you tick Go on now, go on. Seriously, your language is REALLY spooky and very telling, not a t all what I would expect from someone genuinely immersed in the Christian faith

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Joanne, on 30 August 2011 at 8:44 pm said:

If that is a demonstration of your ‘wisdom’ we need not take any account of it.

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anon, on 30 August 2011 at 7:57 pm said:

Ah yes safety in numbers. But lets not forget, the Nazis were well supported and Stalin remains popular in Russia, even to this day and despite his tyrannical slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents.

In short, numbers are not an indication of reliability, just a sign of increasing societal gullibility in times of discord in the established Church. Preying on the vulnerable in times of crisis is a common practice in some quarters, usually the lower two.

The testimonials are a great idea and publishing them is clearly not a sign of desperation nor the desire to increase profits. Where did the idea come from: double glazing ads or insurance salesmen?

“Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart will still Triumph” Are you practicing religion or supporting a football team?.

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Joanne, on 30 August 2011 at 6:51 pm said:

The fact is; that there are people all over the world who love, cherish and live the Messages of Our Lady Queen of Peace delivered through Christina Gallagher and they see your wicked campaign, with the Sunday World, and the disgruntled few for what it is. Of these people who have responded to Our Lady’s call, hundreds have grouped together to publish and put their names to the website http://www.voiceofourladyspilgrims.com to have the truth heard through the din of your endless babble of lies and innuendo.

The fact is; that a book has been produced with a selection from the testimony of many hundreds of people, providing a powerful witness to the truth of the work Our Lady through Christina and the fruits which have come from it, both spiritual and physical. A truth that is powerfully upheld by heaven. The book is ‘Our Lady Touches Ireland and the World’.

The fact is; that hundreds of people continue to travel from all over Ireland to the House of Prayer in Achill to attend the prayers of the Novena in Honour of the Most Blessed Trinity between 1200 and 3.pm every Saturday. In Ireland, they travel from as far afield as Cork, Dublin and Donegal on their pilgrimage to Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer. And not just ireland they travel from many countries.

The fact is; that the people who accept and live the messages of Our Lady Queen of Peace given through Christina Gallagher are not ‘gullable’ ‘touched’ people as you tirelessly suggest. They are ordinary people from all walks of life, from teachers, farmers, solicitors, doctors, nurses, office workers, married and single, young and old, and as Roman Catholics they support their local parishes and the magisterium of the Catholic Church.

So no anon, the fact is; that your so called ‘wisdom’ (as you yourself suggest it is) on this entire subject is flawed, and unreliable, and you have it wrong again. But know that if there were in fact only 3 remaining believers , Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart will still Triumph.

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anon, on 30 August 2011 at 4:21 pm said:

You mean all 3 remaining believers are on the case?

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Joanne, on 30 August 2011 at 3:59 pm said:

It is ridiculous to suggest that all the people who speak up for the House of Prayer are infact only one person! In your dreams!

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dialogueireland, on 30 August 2011 at 12:59 pm said:

I know anon is getting to you. I do know who he is and I know who you are but I preserve your anonymity as I do his/her. Just to be sure you do not mix things up our friend anon wrote this:
the people of Ireland about cultic abuse and to prevent them falling prey to the unscrupulous through the provision of accurate information.
I generally would use the adjective cultist not cultic, so when you see that word you know it is not me. He happens to be a world famous expert on a totally different Religion, but because he has seen this type of thing he is really taking you on Sage et all. I will not comment on your IPs but we do reserve the right to out sock puppets!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry
This page in a nutshell: The general rule is one editor, one account. Do not use multiple accounts to mislead, deceive, or disrupt; to create the illusion of greater support for a position; to stir up controversy; or to circumvent a block. Do not ask your friends to create accounts to support you.

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anon, on 30 August 2011 at 9:50 am said:

“the faithful are free to accept Private Revelation with prudent discernment”

NB “prudent discernment” does not translate as “with all judgement suspended”

It is mere persecution to give a negative judgment when the facts of the case show no doctrinal errors, an authentic ecstasy, and sound moral character of the seer along with good fruits

“sound moral character of the seer…” Mmmmm.
I could go on

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anon, on 30 August 2011 at 9:46 am said:

Er, Sorry, Myth Buster but I am not Dialogue Ireland, Guest, GER etc. You are totally wrong-Why not ask Ms Gallagher since she is in direct communication with the Mother. In the short term, if it is of any value to you, I am happy to take a oath to that effect and may I immediately be struck down dead if I am lying………………Nope, still here.

I suspect the demonizing of Mr Garde of DI by members of HoP is responsible for your miscalculation. You fail to realize that more than one person has seen through your little money making scam, indeed, apart from those who remain duped, the whole of Ireland seems to know about it, right down to the ordinary man in the street-‘It was all over the papers y’know’ i am afraid DI is only the tip of a very large iceberg (and HoP is the Titanic in this respect)

Myth buster, are you also Sage (an equally presumptuous moniker which reveals the arrogance of your stance) Judith and Joanne?

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THE MYTH BUSTER, on 29 August 2011 at 6:39 pm said:

Anonymous is dialogueireland, Anonymous, ANON, anon, Guest, GER and me, you?

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Anonymous, on 29 August 2011 at 6:08 pm said:

Irrelevant posting sage-Dialogue Ireland-are sage, judith and joanne all using the same computer/

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The Sage, on 29 August 2011 at 2:40 pm said:

http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/index.php?id=1303

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dialogueireland, on 29 August 2011 at 2:29 pm said:

Sage you can’t control the flow, give up, its like mercury. Take the package and join us like your former co opts

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dialogueireland, on 29 August 2011 at 2:25 pm said:

Which legal firm are you trying to get training from it is not working. This a blog not a law court, relax your legal tone.

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anon, on 29 August 2011 at 1:41 pm said:

According to me, the whole set up is a con trick, set up to line peoples pockets. Quoting Church declarations, when the Church is unwilling to to commit to reject even abusers within its own ranks and instead transfers them to another diocese doesnt wash with me-I use my own wisdom. And my wisdom tells me the whole set up is one humungous money making con trick set up to dupe the faithful but gullible out of theri hard earned cash,All of the avaialbe evidence appears to point to this and if you defend it, you are clearly part of that money making set up

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Joanne, on 29 August 2011 at 12:37 pm said:

Anon, you are free to express your opinion yes, but you are not free to defame a person’s character, incite hatred of another person, publish false statements with no actual evidence, (except just your own hunch). This is unlawful. It is worth re-reading the post from above.

Judith, on August 29, 2011 at 6:21 am said:
http://www.sdbv.org/html/defense_of_private_revelations.html
“In cases of private revelation, Pope Benedict, when Cardinal and prefect for the CDF, tells us that until the Church has made a definitive and canonical judgment, the faithful are free to accept Private Revelation with prudent discernment…. And we are free to believe in a private revelation unless the proper examination and its results show just cause for a negative judgment. Because unless this has happened it is mere persecution to give a negative judgment when the facts of the case show no doctrinal errors, an authentic ecstasy, and sound moral character of the seer along with good fruits….According to canon 212, if someone has knowledge that a Bishop’s commission’s actions did not follow properly the norms set down by the church they have the right to make it known to the faithful for the good of the church, so long as it does not impugn church teaching, is not irreverent toward those in authority and it upholds the dignity of persons.”

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ANON, on 29 August 2011 at 9:22 am said:

People are free to make their own judgement. The decision as to whether or not a set up is dodgy or not is not solely the domain of the Church-human beings are allowed to think for themselves, you know.

Therefore, I draw your attention to

“Diocesan efforts to integrate this work ended in July, 1998 when it was closed by Mrs. Gallagher. Celebration of the sacraments and reservation of the Blessed Sacrament at the ‘House of Prayer’ are not permitted. Any work carried on since then has been entirely of a private nature and has no Church approval whatever. Neither, for reasons given above, does such work enjoy the confidence of the Diocesan authorities. Nothing has been brought to my attention to indicate that I should change from this position in the future. ”

Just because the Church is not prepared to outrightly condemn something, as exemplified by the statement “The question as far as competent ecclesiastical authority is concerned, remains open and unproven” , this does not mean that all of the above viz a viz the Churches position on HoP is either neutral or supportive; The statement is a very clear explicit condemnation of HoP activities, as should be obvious to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

As for ‘private revelations I would just like to say that I have been visited by the Mother of God and she has told me that I am here to save the people of Irleand,(Oh look, the Church does not condemn my views here EXCEPT I AM ACTUALLY LYING) But since the Church refuses to commit to a position on this, I am obviously telling the truth using your logic

i also have a photograph of the Virgin Mary which PRIVATELY started to cry so I published this PRIVATE revelation on the intenet for all to see (actually, the only ‘private’ aspect of that revelation was the bit in the other room with the pipette and the glycerol-ssssssssssshh)

If it looks like a con, and it sounds like a con, and it feels like a con, it probably is a con-I dont need to rely on Church law to make my own decisions and I am free to warn others of what I suspect, PARTICULARLY WHEN CHARLATANS PERSIST IN PERPETUATING THE SCAM ACROSS THE INTERNET

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Judith, on 29 August 2011 at 6:21 am said:

http://www.sdbv.org/html/defense_of_private_revelations.html

“In cases of private revelation, Pope Benedict, when Cardinal and prefect for the CDF, tells us that until the Church has made a definitive and canonical judgment, the faithful are free to accept Private Revelation with prudent discernment…. And we are free to believe in a private revelation unless the proper examination and its results show just cause for a negative judgment. Because unless this has happened it is mere persecution to give a negative judgment when the facts of the case show no doctrinal errors, an authentic ecstasy, and sound moral character of the seer along with good fruits….According to canon 212, if someone has knowledge that a Bishop’s commission’s actions did not follow properly the norms set down by the church they have the right to make it known to the faithful for the good of the church, so long as it does not impugn church teaching, is not irreverent toward those in authority and it upholds the dignity of persons.”

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Judith, on 29 August 2011 at 5:15 am said:

http://www.sdbv.org/html/defense_of_private_revelations.html

“And many assume a Private Revelation is condemned even if a Church statement is issued that has “no decision”, or “not supernatural” warnings or any negatively perceived language whatsoever… in other words, simply does not have full approval and support from the local bishop…It will often be said that there is not sufficient proof of the supernatural even though there are ecstasies; or there are references to doctrinal problems without giving specific errors, or allusions to disobedience without factual evidence.”

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Judith, on 29 August 2011 at 2:09 am said:

http://tuamarchdiocese.org/2008/03/statements-about-achill-house-of-prayer/

“While recognising the difficulty involved in treating such matters, I find myself obliged to state that no evidence has been presented which might prove beyond reasonable doubt the occurrence of supernatural phenomena of whatever kind in this situation other than that of faith. Mrs. Gallagher and her associates retain, of course, the right to believe and state their belief that such have indeed occurred and continue to occur. The question, as far as competent ecclesiastical authority is concerned, remains open and unproven.”

“In summary the ‘House of Prayer’ has no Church approval and the work does not enjoy the confidence of the diocesan authorities”

On the one hand, “The question as far as competent ecclesiastical authority is concerned, remains open and unproven”…. BUT… “In summary the House of Prayer has no Church approval.”

These two statements cancel out each other and we are right back to square one, since neither the Archdiocese of Tuam nor any other ecclesiastical body has made a judgement on the apparitions to Christina Gallagher.

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Judith, on 29 August 2011 at 1:44 am said:

This statement on voice of the people is a response from the Archdiocesan office to a query from an Irish newspaper in September 2000 – “no declaration of any kind by an ecclesiastical authority in this Archdiocese which might indicate that Mrs. Gallagher’s standing as a Catholic is anything other than good. Ecclesiastical authorities ….have never at any time discouraged people from visiting Mrs. Gallagher in Achill and learning more about her work.”

http://www.voiceofourladyspilgrims.com/obedience.html

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Guest, on 28 August 2011 at 10:38 pm said:

Sage. Don’t you think it time you came clean and made a public statement on the comments and questions raised in this forum re: CG Fr Mc G & HOP, you could also explain what your position is within the HOP, seeing that you seem to speak on its behalf and appear to be well informed on what to post/reply on comments posted here. You could do this simply in your own words without referring to previous comments or pasting links to other websites starting with the original questions raised on the blog entry’s here on this website.

I asked Sage the above but as usual he/she side stepped the issue maybe Joanna or the myth buster could answer on his/her behalf

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me, on 28 August 2011 at 10:03 pm said:

WHICH STATEMENTS ARE FALSE? IF THERE WAS NO MISUSE OF FUNDS WHY WAS ALL THE MONEY PAID BACK? WHO PAID FOR THE BMW? WHO PAID FOR THE MANSION WITH THE BIG GATES?

The purpose of this website is not to discredit Ms Gallagher. The purpose of this website is to inform the people of Ireland about cultic abuse and to prevent them falling prey to the unscrupulous through the provision of accurate information. When people such as ‘the sage’ post wild inaccuracies, lies and total contradictions of the truth, while claiming veracity it is only right that others speak out to expose their falsehoods.

If the Sage stops posting lies and denials, it may well get a lot quieter here

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Joanna, on 28 August 2011 at 9:02 pm said:

As we all know at this stage, a statement has been made regarding the fundraising undertaken in connection with the work requested by Our Lady Queen of Peace and can be viewed at http://www.voiceofourladyspilgrims.com under the link ‘Statement’. The work undertaken is also documented on this site.

The purpose of the dialogueireland website is to discredit the mission of Christina Gallagher. You cannot substantiate your claims that “Christina is misusing House of Prayer funds” and that there is a “misuse of funds by the House of Prayer”.

Anon, by all means ‘avoid the House of Prayer like the plague’ if you want, in your own free will and avoid making any further false statements in persecution of this work and the people involved.

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themadhair, on 28 August 2011 at 8:23 pm said:

anon, if you can produce objective actual factual evidence to support your subjective theories please do so.

You know those cheques? And the land registry records establishing where the money went? The things the photographs above represent? What part of that evidence is not objective for you…?

P.S., Where is the statement from the Archdiocese of Tuam stating that the House of Prayer “no longer had Church approval”?

What part of the following are you having difficulty with?:
“Diocesan efforts to integrate this work ended in July, 1998 when it was closed by Mrs. Gallagher. Celebration of the sacraments and reservation of the Blessed Sacrament at the ‘House of Prayer’ are not permitted. Any work carried on since then has been entirely of a private nature and has no Church approval whatever. Neither, for reasons given above, does such work enjoy the confidence of the Diocesan authorities. Nothing has been brought to my attention to indicate that I should change from this position in the future. ”
http://tuamarchdiocese.org/2008/02/achill-house-of-prayer/

The sad thing about all of this is that claiming to be a visionary, and then using that claim to extract money for a lavish lifestyle isn’t actually illegal in this country. It does get your charity status revoked though (like what happened in 2005 with the HoP).

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anon, on 28 August 2011 at 8:14 pm said:

it astounds me that you continue to deny what is right in front of you
Where is the statement from the Archdiocese of Tuam stating that the House of Prayer “no longer had Church approval”?
on the website of the archdiocese
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Your pathetic sophistry is a shallow attempt to distort truth. You basically claim that because the Archbishop stopped short of expressing downright disapproval of the HoP, this therefore means he supports the H o P. This is the twisted logic of the delusional

Think, if the Archbishop approves of the House of Prayers activities, why did the archbishop ban Masses there and write to all Catholic parishes in Ireland and the US, advising them that activities at the House of Prayer no longer had Church approval. Is that also because he approves if the House of Prayer? (In case you cant remember where and when that info comes from it was in the Irish Times article-were they liars too?)

You are clearly sick, and deluded as well as being intent on hiding the truth from public scrutiny
I can assure you, members of the public who read your shallow posts will be thoroughly convinced of the dodginess of your operation, even more so than before they read them

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The Sage, on 28 August 2011 at 7:49 pm said:

anon, on August 28, 2011 at 6:57 pm said: “No the hullabaloo is about the fact that the House of Prayer duped a significant number of genuine people into parting with large amounts of their hard earned cash under false pretenses and that they only managed to avoid further investigation and potential prosecution by returning the money.”

anon, if you can produce objective actual factual evidence to support your subjective theories please do so.

P.S., Where is the statement from the Archdiocese of Tuam stating that the House of Prayer “no longer had Church approval”? The Archdiocese of Tuam is yet to initiate an official ecclesiastical investigation into the apparitions to Christina Gallagher. She has not been interviewed or examined; the witnesses have not been interviewed; the miracles of healing have not been examined by competent experts.

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anon, on 28 August 2011 at 7:27 pm said:

READ THESE EXCERPTS AND TELL ME THIS IS NOT DODGY-ITS FROM THE iRISH TIMES hursday, March 19, 2009

Complaints had been made to gardaí by a number of people who donated money to the centre, founded by Christina Gallagher, a housewife from Knockmore near Ballina….

Large sums of money – totalling up to €250,000 – were returned to donors who had second thoughts about their contributions to the House of Prayer when newspapers reported allegations of Mrs Gallagher “amassing great wealth”.

The House of Prayer was set up by Mrs Gallagher in the old convent on Achill Sound in July 1993, following her claims that she was visited by Our Lady and was given messages from her for the people of Ireland.

However, a committee of inquiry set up by the Archbishop of Tuam Most Rev Michael Neary, concluded in 1997 that there was no evidence of “supernatural phenomena of whatever kind” there.

It also found that none of the evidence presented proved beyond reasonable doubt the occurrence of supernatural phenomena there, “other than that of faith”.

in February of last year, the archdiocese emphatically dissociated itself from the House of Prayer, stating that its activities were “entirely of a private nature” and carried “no ecclesiastical approval whatsoever”. It said efforts to integrate the work of the House of Prayer with the archdiocese had met “with a disappointing lack of success”.

The archbishop banned Masses there and wrote to all Catholic parishes in Ireland and the US, advising them that activities at the House of Prayer no longer had Church approval.

WOULD ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND SUPPORT THIS MONEY MAKING VENTURE?

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anon, on 28 August 2011 at 6:58 pm said:

PS The 12th if never is actually definite point in time as far as the taxman says;;;;;its just a matter of time

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anon, on 28 August 2011 at 6:57 pm said:

No the hullabaloo is about the fact that the House of Prayer duped a significant number of genuine people into parting with large amounts of their hard earned cash under false pretenses and that they only managed to avoid further investigation and potential prosecution by returning the money.

watch my lips THATS NOT HOW REPUTABLE RELIGIOUS ORGANizATIONS BEHAVE-ITS DISINGENUOUS, EXPLOITATIVE AND DOWNRIGHT PERVERSE AND ANY SUCH GROUP SHOULD THEREFORE BE AVOIDED LIKE THE PLAGUE.

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The Sage, on 28 August 2011 at 4:42 pm said:

So, the hullabaloo is over the fact that donors contributed money to the House of Prayer and then asked for their donations to be returned to them and the House of Prayer returned the donations. Okay, moving along….

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themadhair, on 28 August 2011 at 4:15 pm said:

the Garda have already investigated all the allegations you insinuate by the photos above; and the outcome of the investigation was an announcement which appeared in The Irish Times, verifying that the DPP had decided no proceedings of any kind would be taken against The House of Prayer.

We actually covered the Irish Times article in question which you can read here:

House of Prayer

The reason the case was dropped is shown in this paragraph:
“Large sums of money – totalling up to €250,000 – were returned to donors who had second thoughts about their contributions to the House of Prayer when newspapers reported allegations of Mrs Gallagher “amassing great wealth”.”

To sum up – complaints were made to the Gardai and, when the complainants had their money returned, the DPP decided there was no need to further investigate as the situation had been resolved. Did you mean to misrepresent the Garda involvement or was that intentional? Wonder why these crucial details were left out…

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THE MYTH BUSTER, on 28 August 2011 at 4:01 pm said:

…..on ‘The Twelfth of Never.’ Wasn’t that a popular song back in the good ole days?

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anon, on 28 August 2011 at 3:39 pm said:

Dear MI5

We have had a request from Al Qaeda that you publish all the intelligence you hold on them.

Yours
The Sage

Dear Sage

In order that we can forward the relevant details, please let us know WHAT PLANET YOU LIVE ON

Yours

Anon
PS Requests for information about organizations under investigation by those same organization are not normally granted IN CASE YOU HADNT WORKED IT OUT

The departments advice? wait til the taxman arrives

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The Sage, on 28 August 2011 at 2:44 pm said:

Anon, on August 28, 2011 at 9:22 am said: “Sage.AGAIN Don’t you think it time you came clean and made a public statement on the comments and questions raised in this forum re: CG Fr Mc G & HOP”…..

Anon, dialogueireland says he has ”important intelligence on operations of the House of Prayer” but still hasn’t posted it on the forum. Maybe you could personally contact dialogueireland and then give us a report on this intelligence?

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joanna, on 28 August 2011 at 2:34 pm said:

themadhair, your style of sensational journalism, is the sort peddled by the grossly unreliable tabloid newspaper, The Sunday World, which is the source of your images above, attacking Christina Gallagher and Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer in Achill with false accusation.

Your opening presentation is insulting to the people who have the utmost respect for this work and who have the lawful right to follow it without persecution. Who exactly do you think you are? It is clear that you are part of dialogueireland who as a group think they have the right to defame a person’s character, to spread lies and innuendo, to slander and incite hatred of others with the sole intention of discrediting the mission of Christina Gallagher and the House of Prayer. Your intentions here are obvious to all and they are also unlawful.

Well Ms ‘themadhair’, you have not been able to provide the slightest grain of actual evidence for your slanderous comments because they are a twisted fabrication. If you had any evidence you would bring it to the Garda for investigation. You don’t, because you have none and you know well that the Garda have already investigated all the allegations you insinuate by the photos above; and the outcome of the investigation was an announcement which appeared in The Irish Times, verifying that the DPP had decided no proceedings of any kind would be taken against The House of Prayer. The article at the time quoted Supt. Patrick Doyle, Westport, confirming the decision of the DPP in the matter. You cannot get clearer than this.

So provide your evidence that “Christina is misusing House of Prayer funds” and that there is a “misuse of funds by the House of Prayer”, even though a Garda investigation found nothing in your claims!!! or desist in your slanderous attack, remove all comments made against Christina Gallagher, Fr McGinnity and those connected with the House of Prayer from this website and refrain from any further false statement or innuendo against the same.

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Anon, on 28 August 2011 at 9:22 am said:

Sage.AGAIN Don’t you think it time you came clean and made a public statement on the comments and questions raised in this forum re: CG Fr Mc G & HOP, you could also explain what your position is within the HOP, seeing that you seem to speak on its behalf and appear to be well informed on what to post/reply on comments posted here. You could do this simply in your own words without referring to previous comments or pasting links to other websites starting with the original questions raised on the blog entry’s here on this website.STOP BEATING ABOUT THE BUSH

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The Sage, on 28 August 2011 at 1:26 am said:

Guest, log onto http://www.christinagallagher.org. You can also access the other website, voice of the people via the main website mentioned above. They are a good source of information. Also, dialogueireland mentioned in another thread that he has ”important intelligence on operations of the House of Prayer” but he hasn’t posted it on this forum yet. You might ask him to help you with your quest for information.

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Guest, on 27 August 2011 at 10:52 pm said:

Sage. Don’t you think it time you came clean and made a public statement on the comments and questions raised in this forum re: CG Fr Mc G & HOP, you could also explain what your position is within the HOP, seeing that you seem to speak on its behalf and appear to be well informed on what to post/reply on comments posted here. You could do this simply in your own words without referring to previous comments or pasting links to other websites starting with the original questions raised on the blog entry’s here on this website.

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The Sage, on 27 August 2011 at 9:54 pm said:

The Sage says: Ger, you must surely be wearing yourself out with your repetitious mantras, so go ahead and take a break and stop lavishing so much attention on outlandish conspiracy theories.

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Ger, on 27 August 2011 at 9:02 pm said:

Again I must explain. I, Ger, posted comment at 6.05pm. I was rushing at the time and forgot to add my name, so anonymous came up. . Some of us do have to work you know. We cant ALL live off the proceeds of gullible people.(though it works well for some as well as their hangers on)
Sage , at the risk of repeating myself. Would you please stop using Our Lady for the scam you are complicit in operating.

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ANON, on 27 August 2011 at 8:36 pm said:

‘ALIEN INTELLIGENCE’-So that where those voices are coming from

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The Sage, on 27 August 2011 at 7:22 pm said:

GER, on August 26, 2011 at 10:00 pm said: “Sage, You know, more than most, about ‘unprincipled behaviour’, as you are an expert at it yourself. I do not deal in fiction, I use only facts.”

Anonymous, on August 27, 2011 at 6:05 pm said: “Sorry everyone. Let me explain. I have not got a clue what sage refers to about ‘factual Spanish to english translation’. It must have to do with the video. But I NEVER LOOKED at the video, I had NO INTEREST in the video…I was merely pointing out to Sage and Mythbuster that by being complicit in this scam, they should be very ashamed and ask for forgiveness.”

GER/anonymous, forgive me for not recognizing myself in your subjective comments. I assume you are speaking from actual experience, so can you post objective, actual, factual evidence of my activities of which you seem so familiar, since you are obviously privy to intelligence alien to me. Thanks, The Sage.

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Anonymous, on 27 August 2011 at 6:05 pm said:

Sorry everyone. Let me explain. I have not got a clue what sage refers to about ‘factual Spanish to english translation’. It must have to do with the video. But I NEVER LOOKED at the video, I had NO INTEREST in the video. i was commenting on the terrible and unforgivable use of, Our Lady, by this group; to extract large sums of money from vulnerable persons, for the personal enrichment of Christina Gallagher and her family. I was merely pointing out to Sage and Mythbuster that by being complicit in this scam, they should be very ashamed and ask for forgiveness.

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anon, on 27 August 2011 at 5:53 pm said:

Ur -and your point is? Not very clever mnemonics are hardly cmvinving sage. Now that the denial has failed and the bible quotes run out, is this the best you can do?

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The Sage, on 27 August 2011 at 1:54 pm said:

The Sage says:

D = DEFINITELY
U = UNDENIABLY
C = CONFIRMED
K = KING OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES

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Anon, on 27 August 2011 at 12:09 pm said:

‘Self rationalization’ 2 words=10 000 words. Bang on Hair!
Thes people are simply posting to get others to agree with them. That way, there own doubts will be subliminated. The reality is

IF IT LOOKS LIKE A DUCK
AND IT QUACKS LIKE A DUCK
ITS MORE THAN LIKELY TO BE A DUCK

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themadhair, on 27 August 2011 at 11:51 am said:

Let me draw you a picture of this thread:

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themadhair, on 27 August 2011 at 11:40 am said:

These House of Prayer discussion threads never cease to amaze me. Let’s get the ordering of events here so we can all appreciate the boondoggle being played here:

1) I post a series of photographs laying out House of Prayer process. Do a performance, get money and then buy a few mansions. Granted, this is a tongue-in-cheek way of expressing it, but the essence of the claims being made against the House of Prayer are captured.

2) The response from the House of Prayer devotee is to post a video about water appearing on a piece of laminate. A video that has nothing whatsoever to do with the original posting and has nothing whatsoever to say about the misuse of funds by the House of Prayer.

And because the video was so distracting another devotee followed up with:

GER, on August 25, 2011 at 11:14 pm said: “Sage, I have no idea of why you deliberately continue to be evasive. You Have used Our Lady’s name for many years to enrich Christina Gallagher and her family.”

The Sage says: GER, your assertions are pure fiction and your persistence in peddling such nonsense is unprincipled behavior.

Small note. Posting a video that doesn’t not address any claims made doesn’t make a later assertion that Christina has not enriched herself or her family any less silly. Posting such a denial on a page with photographs of that enrichment is bizarre.

As I say above, this cycle never ceases to amaze me. Post some facts about the House of Prayer and money, then sit back and wait the inevitable comments from House of Prayer devotees that try using whatever theological construct they can to distract from the facts posted. The disconnect that often occurs between the original posting and the subsequent discussion makes me wonder – are such comments really made for the public or is this simply some self-rationalisation process we are seeing being played out?

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The Sage, on 27 August 2011 at 1:07 am said:

Guest, on August 27, 2011 at 12:06 am said:

“Honour thy Father & thy Mother is the fifth Commandment in the majority of Bible translations with the exception of the catholic church who changed and deleted some of the content of the second commandment namely the portion on IDOLATRY and absorbed it into their version of the first shifting each commandment along by one and then splitting the original text of 10th commandment into two to get back to ten.”

The Sage says: Guest, I am a Roman Catholic and the prayers offered at the House of Prayer are those of the Roman Catholic Church. Jesus Christ on the Cross entrusted His Mother Mary to the Apostle John and to all men when he said to Mary: “Woman, behold your son!” Then he said to John, “Behold your Mother.”
(Jn 19:26,27)

http://www.catholicfaithandreason.org/mary-our-mother-in-the-order-of-grace.html

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Guest, on 27 August 2011 at 12:06 am said:

The Sage, on August 26, 2011 at 12:43 am said:
GER, on August 25, 2011 at 11:14 pm said: “Sage, I have no idea of why you deliberately continue to be evasive. You Have used Our Lady’s name for many years to enrich Christina Gallagher and her family.”
The Sage says: GER, your assertions are pure fiction and your persistence in peddling such nonsense is unprincipled behavior.
The fourth commandment tells us to ‘honor thy father and thy mother’ and the prayers offered at Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer most assuredly fulfill this commandment.

Honour thy Father & thy Mother is the fifth Commandment in the majority of Bible translations with the exception of the catholic church who changed and deleted some of the content of the second commandment namely the portion on IDOLATRY and absorbed it into their version of the first shifting each commandment along by one and then splitting the original text of 10th commandment into two to get back to ten.
The Fifth Commandment is about Respect for Parental authority.
God instructs us to show love for our parents by honouring them. The Fifth Commandment introduces us to a series of Commandments that define proper relationships with other people. The fifth through to the 10th serve as the standards of conduct in areas of human behaviour that generate the most far reaching consequences on individuals, families, groups and society. Families are the building blocks of societies that build strong nations. When families are fractured and flawed, the sad results are tragic and reflected in newspaper headlines every day. Any individual or group, including whole nations that understand the importance of strong families reap the rewards of an improved relationship and blessings from God. The Fifth Commandment shows us from whom and how the fundamentals of respect and honour are most effectively learned. It guides us to know how to yield to others, how to properly submit to authority and how to accept the influence of mentors. That is why the apostle Paul wrote, “Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. Honour your father and mother, which is the first Commandment with promise: that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth” Ephesians 6:2-3.

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The Sage, on 26 August 2011 at 10:27 pm said:

GER, on August 25, 2011 at 5:43 pm said: “If Our Lady is crying, it is because she is being used by this group”…..

The Sage, on August 25, 2011 at 6:08 pm said: “GER, do you speak Spanish and is this what the people heard speaking on the video are saying? Are you perhaps one of the people in the video? If so, can you post a summary here of what was actually said on the video? Thanks”

GER, on August 26, 2011 at 10:00 pm said: “I do not deal in fiction, I use only facts.”

The Sage says: GER, have you completed the actual factual Spanish to English translation as yet?

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GER, on 26 August 2011 at 10:00 pm said:

Sage, You know, more than most, about ‘unprincipled behaviour’, as you are an expert at it yourself. I do not deal in fiction, I use only facts. AS for quoting the fourth commandment; you would not know how to fulfil any commandment; whether it be from God or Man (Church)
Regarding your last comment, quoting Matt.10;16;24; There is no doubt you took the ”wise as serpents” literally. There is no ”innocent as doves”in what you are doing. You are complicit in the greatest scam,(sheep in wolves clothes) using Our Lady as your hostage. Shame on you.!

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The Sage, on 26 August 2011 at 8:19 pm said:

anon, on August 26, 2011 at 8:56 am said: “the wolves of truth are now at the door”….

anon, I can’t find that referenced in the Gospels, and I have never heard of such an expression. But, Jesus did say the following: “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves….a disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master….if they have called the master of the house Beelzebul, how much will they malign those of his household.” (Matt. 10:16,24)

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anon, on 26 August 2011 at 8:56 am said:

Ad hominem attacks and bible quotes? My advice; quit while youre winning. Youve ripped enough people and the wolves of truth are now at the door. Know when to quit and move on Sage becuase the game is uo

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The Sage, on 26 August 2011 at 12:43 am said:

GER, on August 25, 2011 at 11:14 pm said: “Sage, I have no idea of why you deliberately continue to be evasive. You Have used Our Lady’s name for many years to enrich Christina Gallagher and her family.”

The Sage says: GER, your assertions are pure fiction and your persistence in peddling such nonsense is unprincipled behavior.

The fourth commandment tells us to ‘honor thy father and thy mother’ and the prayers offered at Our Lady Queen of Peace House of Prayer most assuredly fulfill this commandment.

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GER, on 25 August 2011 at 11:14 pm said:

Sage, I have no idea of why you deliberately continue to be evasive. You Have used Our Lady’s name for many years to enrich Christina Gallagher and her family. I am simply saying, in plain english ,: SHAME ON YOU. You really should repent and ask for forgiveness.PLEASE PLEASE , STOP USING OUR LADY’S NAME FOR FRAUD.

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The Sage, on 25 August 2011 at 6:08 pm said:

GER, do you speak Spanish and is this what the people heard speaking on the video are saying? Are you perhaps one of the people in the video? If so, can you post a summary here of what was actually said on the video? Thanks

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GER, on 25 August 2011 at 5:43 pm said:

SHAME SHAME SHAME on you Myth buster and Sage, for using Our Lady in such a heartless and heartrending way. If Our Lady is crying, it is because she is being used by this group to enrich Christina Gallagher and her family. Dont be troubled by the taxman or trying to justify your actions here. Rather, pray for forgiveness at being complicit in the denigration and demeaning of Our Blessed Mother.

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ANON, on 25 August 2011 at 5:39 pm said:

Those who would like the Catholic Church to designate the House of Prayer a Shrine should contact the Archdiocese of Tuam requesting Archbishop Michael Neary begin an investigation of the apparitions. If enough people petition for an investigation it may materialize. Remember to submit your testimonies of spiritual and physical healings received through your association with the House of Prayer in Achill as well as the Houses of Prayer in America and Mexico – to the Archdiocese of Tuam.

YEAH GO FOR IT-DO KEEP US INFORMED-PS DIDNT YOU SAY YOUHAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE H O P STATESIDE???

i guarantee you now, no such investigation will ever materialise. The only pendinginvestigation is by the revenue department

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The Sage, on 25 August 2011 at 5:33 pm said:

ANON, on August 25, 2011 at 4:53 pm said:
“THE ARCHBISHOP SAID No evidence of supernatural phenomena had been observed. No Church approval.”

THE MYTH BUSTER, on August 18, 2011 at 7:38 pm said:
……”BUT…NEITHER…DOES…the House of Prayer in Achill HAVE Church disapproval…And of course, the House of Prayer cannot be declared a Shrine until the apparitions to Christina Gallagher have been investigated by the Archdiocese of Tuam. Those who would like the Catholic Church to designate the House of Prayer a Shrine should contact the Archdiocese of Tuam requesting Archbishop Michael Neary begin an investigation of the apparitions. If enough people petition for an investigation it may materialize. Remember to submit your testimonies of spiritual and physical healings received through your association with the House of Prayer in Achill as well as the Houses of Prayer in America and Mexico – to the Archdiocese of Tuam.”

The Sage says: Please inform the Archdiocese of Tuam of this remarkable video. It is also available by going to http://www.christinagallagher.org and scrolling down the left side of the page to the heading – Signs and Wonders.

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ANON, on 25 August 2011 at 4:54 pm said:

PS The evidence, as you yourself point out, is for the taxman, not for you to plot your defence with

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ANON, on 25 August 2011 at 4:53 pm said:

CANT YOU READ?

THE ARCHBISHOP SAID
No evidence of supernatural phenomena had been observed
No Church approval
Cannot lend its approval to this work
Work is entirely of a private nature and carries no ecclesiastical approval whatever.
Does not enjoy the confidence of the diocesan authorities.

what part of that dont you understand? Is trolling the best you can do now that you dont have any more answers?

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The Sage, on 25 August 2011 at 4:46 pm said:

So, are we actually going to see the invisible “important intelligence on operations of the House of Prayer due to a high level of defections” for the benefit of the taxman? Or is this “intelligence” otherworldly?

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anon, on 25 August 2011 at 3:54 pm said:

and your point is? What exactly does all that say? Answer-nothing. Just a few insults and an incitement to blind faith (its very profitable for some)

‘It is much easier to believe the phenomenon is of a supernatural origin.’ It was a lot easier to believe in Father Christmas.Difference being, he at least he has some basis in reality

You seem to have run out of answers Sage, or at least ones that dont incur the ridicule of all. Best quit while your still winning-the taxman cometh!

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The Sage, on 25 August 2011 at 3:08 pm said:

anon, I have to congratulate you! You have a very fertile imagination. However, I now have to burst your bubble by returning to reality. Your incredulous statements are simply unbelievable! Actually, they give me a big headache. The reader loses his way traveling through the maze of theories you have constructed and it is much easier and more sane to believe the phenomenon is of a supernatural origin.

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anon, on 25 August 2011 at 8:31 am said:

“The video has over 139,000 views!”

heres a video of Hitler-its had more than 6.8 million hits. So, going on your theory that, the more hits the more worthy of faith, it would seem that old Adolf is more than 68 times more worthy of faith than Our Lady

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ANON, on 25 August 2011 at 8:11 am said:

Actually, if one examines the video, the photo is brought into the room FROM ANOTHER LOCATION. Therefore all of the stuff about not seeing anyone tampering with the photo and it ‘not raining’ in the room is totally disingenuous, a sidestep,a smokescreen designed to bolster your already very weak position.

Obviously, the image was tampered with BEFORE filming began and BEFORE being brought into the room.

if a small child can see through this nonsense then dont you think the rest of us are intelligent enough to see through the scam? As for how many hits the film has had, there are pornographic images that get more hits-does that mean they are more genuine??UTTER RUBBISH,-you are either a con merchant or totally gullible

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ANON, on 25 August 2011 at 7:11 am said:

I just showed the video to my nine year old son and he immediately recognized it as a con trick WAKE UP

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ANON, on 25 August 2011 at 7:09 am said:

“There are several people in that video who witness the phenomenon”

Magicians often have audiences of thousands

“I viewed the video again but couldn’t find any of them doing what you suggest.”

You mean they didnt include the people perpetrating the fraud on the video-shock horror!

As for the rest of your rather simplistic email, think. iti is possible to apply solutions in a solid state tat melt when subjected to slightly higher temperatures-wax is a crude example. All that is necessary is to apply such a compound beforehand and then increase the temperature via touch or increased room temperature for example.

I find myself aghast at the gullibility you project onto people. Sadly though, i times of desperation, the spiritually desperate are more than willing to believe. Shame on you for your fraudulent and manipulative behaviour and for preying on the weak

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THE MYTH BUSTER, on 25 August 2011 at 4:36 am said:

Guest, while it is prudent to consider a variety of explanations for weeping images, your hypothesis is ridiculous. There are several people in that video who witness the phenomenon. I viewed the video again but couldn’t find any of them doing what you suggest. An unframed image of Our Lady Queen of Peace is held in the hands of one lady whilst another begins taking photos of the image. The image is then presented to the camera and I see a copious amount of liquid streaming down the face of Our Lady Queen of Peace. No one in the room was pouring liquid or dropping liquid on the image. The image was not mounted in a frame so you can’t say the liquid was oozing from the frame onto the image. It didn’t look like it was raining in the room where they were gathered, they weren’t beside a pool or near the beach nor in a bathtub nor in the shower, although I did see a telephone in one lady’s hand…..

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Guest, on 24 August 2011 at 10:37 pm said:

like you said its only an image, either photocopied or printed and laminated, laminated paper is waterproof therefore if you pour or drop any clear liquid on its still going to flow downwards (law of gravity) anyone can see this is a lame attempt to hoodwink and mislead people any normal person knows tears are water based and flow from the eyes like water, this image clearly shows a clear thixotropic solution on the laminate surface slowly flowing down the page the direction being guided by tilting the page at various angles. One might get a similar effect if you spat on a vertical surface. excuse the analogy. As regards 139,000+ views it’s on Youtube, people look at all kinds of similar rubbish all the time.

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Anon, on 24 August 2011 at 7:36 pm said:

Amazing what you can do with a pipette, a bottle of glycerin and a good business plan.

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THE MYTH BUSTER, on 24 August 2011 at 7:33 pm said:

The image depicting Our Lady Queen of Peace as she appears to Christina Gallagher is videotaped below shedding tears. The video has over 139,000 views!

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Anonymous, on 15 August 2011 at 10:40 pm said:

Sorry for the typos and any repetition, the screen would not allow me to see what I had previously typed enough to adequately correct or see any typos or run on sentences. I speak the Truth. Please avoid any contact or anyone of any contact of anything of Christina Gallagher.

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Anonymous, on 15 August 2011 at 10:35 pm said:

Thank goodness there is a truthful site about this. I personally was told by the Mother of God to warn people to stay away from this fraud, Christina Gallagher. I myself have been for years victimized by her witchcraft, wicca, and demonic practices that she hides from the public other than her fraudulent displays of demonic pretense, that satan himself assists her, not the MOther of God nor Christ. How offensive this is mockery by Christina Gallagher is to Christ, to the Mother of God! that anyone would mock His Wounds, the Mother of God! pretending these illusions of stigmata! never are these ever visible in the last many years! Never a valid Church investigation into her supposed wounds! that are not valid, they were faked for money and attention and idolatry of her that she wanted for satan, for herself, her demons invoked by witchcraft that she practices to appear like someone of importance to steal from souls, to steal from Christ, to steal from and mock Christ and the Mother of God!

Asking for money and false claims that they are to ask for and take money for any purpose.

I never followed her, her demons attacked me to attempt to take my own property and to claim anything I do spiritually as if Christina Gallagher is the source or involved! as she claims or attempts to appear as a false god!

The Mother of God warned me to warn souls, that Christina Gallagher is satanic, her seal satanic. Nothing of Scripture is of anything of Christina Gallagher other than warnings of false prophets for the end times, the house of prayer becoming a den of thieves, and her witchcraft and consulting demons the source of her supposed experiences. She is a fraud.

Christ and the Mother of God warned me, Christina Gallagher is to be removed soon from the face of the earth for attacking Them, attacking Christ’s wounds by her fraud, attacking the Mother of God, for her own profit, her own advancement of idolatry of herself, and wanting others to idolize her, it is false worship, a sin against the commandments, as well as her envy of others’ property and causing events in their lives by demons to take or acquire money or their property. I see this for fact every day, every day, and can testify in a Catholic court trial against her for witchcraft if the Church would allow me to bring such a case against her. There is nothing of this established in Ireland of I would, and anyone that has had deaths in their families in any way relating to any contact of Christina Gallagher, after any, should immediately contact the Archbishop whom I contacted last year asking for his removal of any ability to allow her or the priest she demonically oppresses to cause control to acquire money and false validity to her fraud. It is truly a very demonic fraud, that Christ and the Mother of God warned me to warn others, avoid Christina Gallagher. She is a fraud.

The claims for a bomb shelter: a Hiroshima eight Jesuit priests were spared because they prayed the rosary every day and lived the Fatima message. No one is to do other than pray the rosary and turn to the Mother of God, not giving anyone money for any apparitions, any prophecy, any claims of any supposed messages to donate money as if the MOther of God would ever ever say that, the Epitome of humility, poverty, charity.

Christ and the Mother of God warned she is to be removed from the face of the earth soon, for her attacks to Christ, to the Mother of God, and attacking His Wounds and Sufferings, the Mother of God’s for profit for herself by demonic fabrications, attempting to cause and causing the deaths of others for their property, attacking any that stand against her, her attacking Christ and the Mother of God.

Her source of her false apparitions, falsities, is satan, her consultation of demons, her consultation of the oldest druidic practices and witchcraft that continues to affect and attack anyone visiting the House of hell she runs, anyone ever visiting there, eating there, the food tainted with her evil means of witchcraft that can cause attacks to others for many years after, without prayer, fasting and without the sacraments. Anyone must turn to Christ, the MOther of God, at the Catholic Church, the sacraments, the Mass, confession, and avoid Christina Gallagher at any time.

The house of hell that she runs, the rest of them of the US, not one of these of any connection to Jesus Christ or to the Mother of God. Nothing of Christina Gallagher is connected to Jesus Christ or the MOther of God. Avoid her at all times.

Speaking of time: Four years I have endured attacks by Christina Gallagher, almost five years, and never a devotee or follower at any time at all, ever. Her demons attacked me to attempt to undermine my own spirituality and messages from the Mother of God and Christ that began long before anything of Christina Gallagher’s frauds and attacks to me.

The Mother of God warns, Christina Gallagher is a fraud. Everyone must avoid her, she is practicing witchcraft and black arts to coerce people guised spiritually for obtaining by envy and greed towards anyone their money, their property, any of their goods, especially trying to claim their souls and families for satan. Not Christ, not the Mother of God. Avoid her at all costs. Anyone ever visiting there or eating at that location must avoid her at all costs, end any contact, and end any support rebuking her, her demons that she sends to attack and take people’s money by demonic attacks coercion of demonic kind, and telling Christ and the Mother of God every day they rebuke satan, Christina Gallagher, any demons she sends to attack them at any time. She is a fraud, she is very very sick, and herself possessed. The food is a means of attack by witchcraft, the false medals, false apparitions, the scam of pictures and books and the store she runs to promote herself for idolatry.

She is not Catholic. She never attends Mass. Never appears anywhere of any humility or any poverty of real virtue. It is a show, attention, for money, for idolatry. It is very very wrong, very against the Way of Jesus Christ, against the Way of the Mother of God’s Imitation of and Love of Her Son.

Avoid Christina Gallagher, get rid of any prayers, she has tainted them by witchcraft, especially the supposed consecration prayer, that she has connected to a satanic blood ritual or witchcraft to attack souls. Throw away any medals into the ocean. Do not burn any books in any area that can infest or cause attacks to your own home, burn them and take the ashes and dumpt them into the ocean. Avoid Christina Gallagher, pray to the real Jesus Christ, the real Mother of God to be told the Truth, tell anyone that you can about the Truth, and avoid her attempts to cause witchcraft to yourself or your family members for the money, property and idolatry she wants of anyone at any time.

Be warned by the Mother of God Herself :seek only Christ found in the Catholic Church sacraments, Mass, confession, avoid priests who have any contact or support Christina Gallagher, they are tainted by witchcraft, demons, themselves, and cannot be trusted. Visit a Catholic Church tabernacle for Christ’s Real Presence, the Mother of God’s REal Presence, not the fraud of Christina Gallagher.

The Mother of God and Jesus Christ Himself warns me to warn souls, telling me this over the last four years: tell souls to avoid Christina Gallagher, Christina Gallagher is a fraud. Jesus Christ and the Mother of God have said Christina Gallagher consults satan, demons, not speaking of anything of Christ or the Mother of God.

Christina Gallagher is not connected to Jesus Christ nor the Mother of God. Christina GAllagher is of satan, of witchcraft, black arts, wicca, and very grave fraud. Avoid her, anywhere, at any time.

This warning is given directly at the request of the Mother of God, of my own personal experiences of attacks by Christina Gallagher, her house of hell, and witchcraft, her perverse demons, wicca, black arts, druidism.

Avoid Christina Gallagher, her. NO one is to ever believe anyone that says they are told to ask money from anyone due to a revelation of the Mother of God. Even at Fatima, when money was donated, they asked the MOther of God what to do with the money, not asking for the money first or ever asking for any money at any time of the duration of any of the apparitions that the Validly appearing Mother of God gave at Fatima.

Avoid any false apparitions, false mystics, false stigmatists, any asking for money. These are not of Christ, nor of the Mother of God.

The Mother of God is not appearing to Christina Gallagher. Christ is not appearing. Nor are They speaking to her. Demons are consulted for Christina Gallagher’s supposed future events, Christina Gallagher’s false apparitions, false wounds, of demonic and witchcraft practices.

She is a cult, she is wicca, witchcraft, a fraud.

This warning is directly from Jesus Christ and the Mother of God.

Stay away from Christina Gallagher.

Posted by one who speaks the Truth,
Warned by Jesus Christ and the Mother of God

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Rene, on 15 August 2011 at 9:47 pm said:

What precision. What accuracy! Well done D.I. Could not have said it better myself. Keep up the good work and eventually this cult will be extinguished. There is no doubt that a picture paints a thousand words.

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