LIVE LINE spends a second day on the Jehovah’s Witnesses. “John Cedars” is introduced as an authoritative ex member who is agood source for understanding this movement.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21568732

More on the Jehovah’s Witnesses including Noel, a current member, who refuses to talk to his brother Gerard, a former member.

Here I was reminded of the Eighties when a group of people including Martin Merriman and John May held meetings at the Mansion House where they started a movement to bring out the truth of what was really going on. I remember one night being in Gerard May’s house. What they were looking at over 35 years ago will be comenormal over the next few years.

Here is the background to Lloyd Evans aka John Cedars. He is totally up to speed on developments. Below you see a very well argued predictions as to how this organisation might evolve.

https://www.youtube.com/user/johncedars1929/about?disable_polymer=1

Live Line on how the Jehovah’s Witnesses deal with ethical issues.

When joining the Jehovah’s Witnesses you can be involved in hiding issues from the Gardai. The exercise of their justice system which is called a judicial committee made up of three elders could mean that in the case of sexual abuse you must bring forward two witnesses. Also, they have invented a new word ‘Disfellowshipping.’ which involves a system which contradicts what scripture suggests and which leads to a total blanking of former members. No social contact, no meals together and if you met a member in say a supermarket they would refuse to acknowledge you exist. It is very similar to the mechanism used by Scientology called disconnection. Here is a guide to what should happen:

15 “If your brother or sister[b] sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Note the purpose of discipline is rehabilitative and not penal,
Step 1: Go to the person privately and engage. Step 2 If they do not listen take one or two witnesses, so now you have witnesses to the mediation process. Note the Jehovah’s Witnesses are now saying you must say have two witnesses to say a sexual abuse incident and not to the process addressing it. This a travesty of an interpretation. Finally, Step 3 the issue is to be brought to the church, not to a kangaroo court. Note not to a private sitting of a group of men with a rule book, but an announcement is made to the whole church that this person is to be treated like a pagan or a person doing something wrong. In other words, you treat them as people who need to be helped, loved and respected so that they may amend their ways and return to fellowship. That is the Jesus way, the JW way is out of the pit of hell.

Jesse Duplantis is a flight risk as he goes around the Red Cow roundabout with Brendan Hade and the Victory Scientology enablers

The photograph was taken of  Jesse Duplantis’s airplane during the visit in 2011 to Galway where he gave us his distorted gospel of greed. He was a guest of disgraced Pastor Kevin Sanford who did a runner without paying the rent for the building he used for Abundant Life.

Gerry Byrne is on the left and is seen with the other Trustees of Victory Sheila and Brendan Hade.

 

We have the complete archive of these events and also of Kevin Sanford’s attempt to emerge squeaky clean in San Diego.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2018/06/01/a-religion-of-greed-jesse-duplantis-wants-his-followers-to-fund-a-private-jet-listen-to-how-a-stealth-leader-bombs-his-audience-in-galway-back-in-2011/

The Palmarians face a ban on saying Mass in Ireland

Sect featured in Dan Brown’s Origin faces ban on mass at Lusk house

Colin Coyle

May 12 2019,  The Sunday Times

The Co Dublin house is owned by sect leader ’Pope Peter III’

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Palmarian St Coyle

Irish members of the Palmarian church, a splinter Catholic sect that has been described as a cult, have been told to stop holding masses in a €600,000 house they bought in Lusk, Co Dublin, three years ago.

The secretive sect, which discourages members from engaging with non-followers, was served with enforcement proceedings by Fingal county council last August after the local authority discovered it was using the detached property to host masses without planning permission.

In planning documents, one of the owners of the property is listed as Joseph Odermatt the Spanishbased leader of the sect, whom Palmarians refer to as Pope Peter III.

The organisation, believed to have about 300 followers in Ireland, is the subject of novelist Dan Brown’s latest conspiracy thriller, Origin. Several family members of followers discussed being ostracised by acolytes of the sect on RTE’s Liveline in 2015. In November of that year the body of Bridget Crosbie, an 84-year-old follower of the religion, was found in the bedroom of her home in Wexford. She has been dead for at least two months. Her family claim she severed ties with them after joining the church in the late 1970s.

A planning consultant hired by the Palmarians last year defended their use of the house in Lusk for occasional masses. He argued they did not need planning because the property was largely used as a home for Fr George Albrecht and only part of the house had been turned into an oratory. He added that Albrecht used the chapel on a daily basis only for a “small number of his congregation to whom he provides pastoral care for low-profile religious worship activities”.

He said that Albrecht did say mass for a larger group of people on Sundays but that as he knew every individual who attended personally, it should be considered a private, rather than public, service. He noted there was nothing at the property or elsewhere revealing it was home to a priest or religious congregation.

Fingal county council ruled against the Palmarians. The sect subsequently appealed to An Bord Pleanala, which last week told them that planning permission was required to operate a church. They must now lodge a fresh application seeking permission to use the house as a church. If permission is refused, it could threaten the future of the sect’s Irish base.

The sect is funded exclusively by donations from followers, many of whom bequeath their homes to it. The Property Price Register shows the Lusk property, Leaca Ban, sold for €602,500 in 2016. Set on 3.5 acres with sea views, the 1980s-built house has six bedrooms and 320 sq m of living space. @colincoyle

Colin Coyle

News Editor

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/palmarian-church/

“Tell No One.” The particular dynamics of sex abuse within the Jehovah’s Witnesses

Tell No One.
The particular dynamics of sex abuse within the Jehovah’s Witnesses by Barry Whyte in the Sunday Business Post. Sunday April 21, 2019

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/jehovahs-witnesses/

Disclaimer: Dialogue Ireland is publishing this material as a resource to assist victims of this group. We have no financial incentive to do so. We make our expertise available to all members of the media without charge. 

Why did Bishop Joseph Cassidy retire at 61 after being conned by Christina Gallagher?

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2015/0922/729530-moving-statues-phenomenon/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/house-of-prayer/

Watching the programme on the moving statues on RTE on Monday April 15, a few things are becoming clearer. Bishop Joseph Cassidy was a critical voice and was gentle in his questioning of the whole phenomenon. He was interviewed while he was Bishop of Clonfert. He was an energetic and relatively youthful bishop and soon became media spokesperson for the Irish Episcopal Conference. This role built on his talent for language and communication which was an attribute picked up at his Requiem Mass by his successor “he used language with care, with discrimination and with feeling. He loved to play on words and to pun. His homilies were not only education but entertainment. His language was fresh, his vision poetic.

Later on 22 August 1987 he was appointed to the position of archbishop of the Archdiocese of Tuam. We heard about the Sligo situation back in 1983 and there it is not so much about moving statues but visions. It was here that Christina visited and likely conjured up her plan to create the House of Prayer. However, in her case there is no evidence of any deep spirituality just a vision of living in luxury and conning people. This is the link to Christina’s life of material wealth and spiritual delusion ably written about by Jim Gallagher, called Immaculate Deception.

 

Did you know the racket at the House of Prayer is still making a lot of noise?

Ireland’s Eye is the official mouthpiece for The House of Prayer?