2X2. Report of my testimony at the Truth Convention. Let us start from the very beginning, then on the other hand let’s start at the end.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2017/06/15/no-name-2×2-dialogue-ireland-director-is-going-to-the-van-der-hum-convention-in-co-laois-june-17-20/

Having begun a process with Craig Fulton and John Delaney which you can read in the post above, I was kindly invited to go to the Convention and duly arrived last Saturday June 17. For obvious reasons the agenda we will be addressing will likely have to wait till September, but I am waiting to hear from Craig in written form how he sees this proceeding. All I asked for at this time was an acknowledgement of agreement to proceed but too date I have not received this.

Visit to the Friends Convention, Carrick, Co Laois

Robert and Iris Landon’s home

Written Sunday June 18:

Spending the next 3 days at the Van Der Hum Convention in Carrick, Co. Laois. The property is owned by Robert and Iris Landon. They have created a Convention Centre on an active farm. The dining space is another barn and today Sunday they must have served over 500 meals after morning service.

                   Barn used to serve meals.
I was able to talk to Robert who is originally from Glenville, Co Cork. He has cattle and barley. He is a gentle presence everywhere. The organisation by John Connolly a worker from Co. Armagh is superb. Generally the Friends like the Amish they don’t like their photograph taken. The barn where the meetings take place are generally full of barley but are transformed into a meeting space.

Victory Church/ Centre: DI can confirm that speculation on “new” European Headquarters for a Christian church is incorrect.

Dialogue Ireland received a concerned call from someone who has infiltrated  a certain group who will remain nameless for the present. They are spending over €1m on renovating the place. They briefed us on on an attempt by Brian Hade to enter the property without permission. He still seems to be holding onto his Freeman beliefs which involve not recognising the law.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2013/10/30/the-freeman-movement-an-in-depth-analysis/

We saw him bend his knee in the courts in this regard a few years ago. You can see how a false concept of prosperity aided by out of control loans from the Bank of Scotland brought this vanity project down to earth.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/victory-faith-movement-or-prosperity-gospel-archive-abundant-life/

 

 

Work begun at the Victory Centre site in Firhouse last week, with much speculation as to what the future holds for the former Christian Church and community centre.

Hoarding was erected on Wednesday last, and maintenance work also began at the site this week.

 

Several containers have been moved onto the grounds, while a mobile office is also now situated within the compound.

 

         

 

NO Name, 2X2: Dialogue Ireland Director is going to the Van der Hum Convention in Co. Laois June 17-20

I have had a lot of contact with Craig Fulton over the past month and met him with another member of the group John Delaney on Monday. We had a very fruitful conversation. We have agreed to continue discussion on a number of crucial areas. This will remain confidential until we reach agreement or if not then I will share my own observations as will no longer be bound by confidentiality.
In the meantime I am going to participate in the full Convention of the Van Der Hums from June 17 to June 20.*

The Convention will be held at a private property on a farm near Carrick, Co. Laois about 3 miles from Cullahill on the old main road to Cork and between there and Rathdowney. There is a river where baptisms occur on the property.

Interestingly enough we are talking about Conventions and they obviously as I argue later have their origins in the Faith Mission and Irvine was a “Faith Mission Worker.” Not far from Carrick is the town of Durrow where the Faith Mission has a Centre.

http://www.faithmission.org/bible_teaching/irishmidlands.html

*Growing up in South Africa I remember a liqueur called Van der Hum.

Victory Church/ Centre: DI can confirm that speculation on “new” European Headquarters for a Christian church is incorrect.

Dialogue Ireland received a concerned call from someone who has infiltrated  a certain group who will remain nameless for the present. They are spending over €1m on renovating the place. They briefed us on on an attempt by Brian Hade to enter the property without permission. He still seems to be holding onto his Freeman beliefs which involve not recognising the law.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2013/10/30/the-freeman-movement-an-in-depth-analysis/

We saw him bend his knee in the courts in this regard a few years ago. You can see how a false concept of prosperity aided by out of control loans from the Bank of Scotland brought this vanity project down to earth.

Carrig Eden: Christian Mediation ends

Interim statement on our mediation between the Irish Assemblies of God, ( I A O G)*

http://www.iaog.org/

and Tiglin* Rehabilitation centre, representing the residents of Carrig Eden House, Greystones, Co Wicklow.

Dialogue Ireland issues the following interim statement in relation to a proposed Christian mediation between the Irish Assemblies of God, ( I A O G)* and Tiglin Rehabilitation centre, with regard to the issues surrounding the relationship between them from a Christian standpoint.

John Purcell makes a further reply to “Worker” post

Reply from a ‘Worker’ to the post, “Two by Twos” by someone who grew up and out of the movement.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/02/18/reply-from-a-worker-to-the-post-two-by-twos-by-someone-who-grew-up-and-out-of-the-movement/

If I look at the quotes here and the worker’s response, on the whole the quotes more reflect my own experience (from thirty years ago in the UK, and as far as I can tell not very much has changed since then). Mentioning the origin of the group is a big no-no; members here as far as I know are still generally unaware of it. I was always told “the meetings” have no Earthly founder, unlike other sects and denominations. People are discouraged somewhat from associating with outsiders (although I have never been shunned by my relatives in the “Truth”).