2X2. Report of my testimony at the Truth Convention. Let us start from the very beginning, then on the other hand let’s start at the end.

Landon House Carrick

Carrick Convention Meeting Area

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2017/06/15/no-name-2×2-dialogue-ireland-director-is-going-to-the-van-der-hum-convention-in-co-laois-june-17-20/

Having begun a process with Craig Fulton and John Delaney which you can read in the post above, I was kindly invited to go to the Convention and duly arrived last Saturday June 17. For obvious reasons the agenda we will be addressing will likely have to wait till September, but I am waiting to hear from Craig in written form how he sees this proceeding. All I asked for at this time was an acknowledgement of agreement to proceed but too date I have not received this.
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Visit to the Friends Convention, Carrick, Co Laois

Landon House Carrick

Robert and Iris Landon’s home

Written Sunday June 18:

Spending the next 3 days at the Van Der Hum Convention in Carrick, Co. Laois. The property is owned by Robert and Iris Landon. They have created a Convention Centre on an active farm. The dining space is another barn and today Sunday they must have served over 500 meals after morning service.

Carrick Convention Dining Area

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I was able to talk to Robert who is originally from Glenville, Co Cork. He has cattle and barley. He is a gentle presence everywhere. The organisation by John Connolly a worker from Co. Armagh is superb. Generally the Friends like the Amish they don’t like their photograph taken. The barn where the meetings take place are generally full of barley but are transformed into a meeting space. Continue reading

NO Name, 2X2: Dialogue Ireland Director is going to the Van der Hum Convention in Co. Laois June 17-20

Craig Fulton Richard Hughes

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I have had a lot of contact with Craig Fulton over the past month and met him with another member of the group John Delaney on Monday. We had a very fruitful conversation. We have agreed to continue discussion on a number of crucial areas. This will remain confidential until we reach agreement or if not then I will share my own observations as will no longer be bound by confidentiality.
In the meantime I am going to participate in the full Convention of the Van Der Hums from June 17 to June 20.*

The Convention will be held at a private property on a farm near Carrick, Co. Laois about 3 miles from Cullahill on the old main road to Cork and between there and Rathdowney. There is a river where baptisms occur on the property.

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Interestingly enough we are talking about Conventions and they obviously as I argue later have their origins in the Faith Mission and Irvine was a “Faith Mission Worker.” Not far from Carrick is the town of Durrow where the Faith Mission has a Centre.

http://www.faithmission.org/bible_teaching/irishmidlands.html

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John Purcell makes a further reply to “Worker” post

Reply from a ‘Worker’ to the post, “Two by Twos” by someone who grew up and out of the movement.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/02/18/reply-from-a-worker-to-the-post-two-by-twos-by-someone-who-grew-up-and-out-of-the-movement/

If I look at the quotes here and the worker’s response, on the whole the quotes more reflect my own experience (from thirty years ago in the UK, and as far as I can tell not very much has changed since then). Mentioning the origin of the group is a big no-no; members here as far as I know are still generally unaware of it. I was always told “the meetings” have no Earthly founder, unlike other sects and denominations. People are discouraged somewhat from associating with outsiders (although I have never been shunned by my relatives in the “Truth”). Continue reading

Two by Twos, Cooneyites, Dippers and many more like ‘No Name,’ mentioned on Today with Sean O’Rourke

Southern Protestants and UCD Folklore Project
Friday 17 February 2017 12:00
Researcher Deirdre Nuttall of the National Folklore Collection and journalist and farmer from Wexford, Margaret Hawkins spoke to us this morning.

You can hear about Margaret Hawkins experience starting at 5:30 on the Report.

Then so that the public can study about them here is a link to them on our blog.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/two-by-twos/
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DI Director meets with two workers of the Home Fellowship of Christians

Mike Garde the Director of DI met with Craig Fulton from Strabane in Co. Tyrone and a very new Worker called Richard Hughes from Armagh who are currently working in the Dublin region.
This meeting resulted from the book by Irvine Grey which described the “Two by Two’s,” as a very dangerous cult. Through my contacts on Skype I was introduced to Craig who agreed immediately to meet. We had a three hour session over a nice lunch at the Botanical Gardens in Glasnevin.
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2×2’s, Cult to Christ: The Church With No Name by Elizabeth Coleman

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This is not a book about physical or sexual abuse. It is not a theological book. This is simply a story about my personal journey from complete faith and belief in one particular religious group to a personal faith in Jesus as Saviour.

Clearly Elizabeth has found a personal faith and found that her own upbringing did not assist her spiritual development. However, clearly she has accepted the logic that any group which does not agree with a particular theology which she believes in, is a cult. I suggest this definition is not adequate and is purely a theological one and does not conform to the notion of cultism which involves undue influence which is much broader than a purely theological definition. Continue reading

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