LIVE LINE spends a second day on the Jehovah’s Witnesses. “John Cedars” is introduced as an authoritative ex member who is agood source for understanding this movement.

Joe Duffy

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21568732

More on the Jehovah’s Witnesses including Noel, a current member, who refuses to talk to his brother Gerard, a former member.

Here I was reminded of the Eighties when a group of people including Martin Merriman and John May held meetings at the Mansion House where they started a movement to bring out the truth of what was really going on. I remember one night being in Gerard May’s house. What they were looking at over 35 years ago will be comenormal over the next few years.

Here is the background to Lloyd Evans aka John Cedars. He is totally up to speed on developments. Below you see a very well argued predictions as to how this organisation might evolve.

https://www.youtube.com/user/johncedars1929/about?disable_polymer=1

Live Line on how the Jehovah’s Witnesses deal with ethical issues.

Joe Duffy

When joining the Jehovah’s Witnesses you can be involved in hiding issues from the Gardai. The exercise of their justice system which is called a judicial committee made up of three elders could mean that in the case of sexual abuse you must bring forward two witnesses. Also, they have invented a new word ‘Disfellowshipping.’ which involves a system which contradicts what scripture suggests and which leads to a total blanking of former members. No social contact, no meals together and if you met a member in say a supermarket they would refuse to acknowledge you exist. It is very similar to the mechanism used by Scientology called disconnection. Here is a guide to what should happen:

15 “If your brother or sister[b] sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Note the purpose of discipline is rehabilitative and not penal,
Step 1: Go to the person privately and engage. Step 2 If they do not listen take one or two witnesses, so now you have witnesses to the mediation process. Note the Jehovah’s Witnesses are now saying you must say have two witnesses to say a sexual abuse incident and not to the process addressing it. This a travesty of an interpretation. Finally, Step 3 the issue is to be brought to the church, not to a kangaroo court. Note not to a private sitting of a group of men with a rule book, but an announcement is made to the whole church that this person is to be treated like a pagan or a person doing something wrong. In other words, you treat them as people who need to be helped, loved and respected so that they may amend their ways and return to fellowship. That is the Jesus way, the JW way is out of the pit of hell.

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“Tell No One.” The particular dynamics of sex abuse within the Jehovah’s Witnesses

Sunday Business Post on JW abuse 1

Tell No One.
The particular dynamics of sex abuse within the Jehovah’s Witnesses by Barry Whyte in the Sunday Business Post. Sunday April 21, 2019

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/christian/jehovahs-witnesses/

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The photographic record of the Dialog Centre Aarhus Denmark

Anders Blichfeldt was a co-worker at the Dialog Centret from the end of the seventies. He had an amazing gift to have a camera always available so we have an interesting record of a developing movement and network which involved people all over ther world and especially the emerging Dialog Center International, (DCI.)

 

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dialogcenterimages

 

The photographer and documentarist Anders Blichfeldt

 

Dalai Lama and Johannes Aagaard

Hatha Yogi in Rishikesh, India

 

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Jehovah’s Witnesses aiming to ‘strengthen’ its Irish Congregation

Jehovah’s Witnesses are struggling to maintain traction. Child Abuse issues are added to by the lack of transparency and control by leaders. The organisation is clearly on the retreat and it looks like this is shuffling around the deckchairs on the Titanic stuff.

Irish Report

Before Herzl, There Was Pastor Russell: A Neglected Chapter of Zionism

Before Herzl, There Was Pastor Russell: A Neglected Chapter of Zionism in the Haaretz Magazine.

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Years before Theodor Herzl proposed creating a Jewish state, Charles Taze Russell was traveling the world holding Jewish Mass Meetings, beginning in 1879, at which he urged Jews to find a national home in Eretz Israel
Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916)
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“There are now in the world more than ten million Jews, about three-quarters of whom are in Russia, Poland, the Balkan States, and Turkey. If the movement toward Palestine should get the impulse that the Hirsch committee is able to give it, an imaginative person can conceive of the country’s doubling or trebling its Jewish population before the close of our century” – Zion’s Watchtower 1892, Nov. 1, p.329.
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Charles Taze Russell
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Theodor Herzl published his pamphlet “Der Judenstaat” in 1896 and, two years later, organized the world’s First Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland. But in fact, the notion of a Jewish state in Palestine had been making the rounds in European and American Christian circles, in various forms. One of its keenest proponents was a Christian preacher and Bible scholar named Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916).
The proposition boldly put forward by Pastor Russell contrasted with the position of many Christian churches at the time, where the feeling was that God’s covenant with the Jews had long since ended and they should convert to Christianity.
The prescient pastor predicted a massive exodus of Jews from Russia and Eastern Europe. Much as he predicted, by 1924 more than 3 million Jews had emigrated from Russia and Eastern Europe. Russell himself did not live long enough to see his prophecy made manifest, dying in 1916.
Russell’s legacy as an enthusiastic, non-proselytizing Zionist has been acknowledged by none other than the incumbent prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, who said, “A recognition of Pastor Russell’s important role as an early American Christian advocate of Zionism is long overdue.” The late Jeane Kirkpatrick, former the U.S. ambassador to the UN, called Russell a “neglected man and chapter in the history of Zionism.”
Who was this forgotten father of Zionism, and why would he promote Zionism in the first place?
In the mid-19th century, when covered wagons still rolled across the open plains carrying settlers to remote sectors of America, when vast herds of buffalo still roamed the range, Charles Taze Russell was born in Allegheny, Pennsylvania on February 16, 1852. He was the second son of Joseph L. and Ann Eliza Russell, both of Scottish-Irish descent.
Russell’s mother died when he was nine years old. At 11, Charles entered a business partnership with his father, the youngster himself writing the articles of agreement under which their enterprise operated. At 15 he and his father were running a flourishing men’s clothing chain with shops in Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and more.
Russell’s formative years were colored by the devastating Civil War that ravaged America from 1861 to 1865, followed by an era of rapid industrialization. In 1869 the first transcontinental railway was completed. Come the 1870’s, electric light and the telephone came onto the scene. The electric streetcar would arrive in the 1880’s, and by the century’s end, a few automobiles would be noisily proclaiming their presence.
On the intellectual front, Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution, described in his 1859 book “On the Origin of Species,” had for the first time seriously challenged the Roman Catholic Church’s version of history, giving rise to spin-off churches and creeds.
Going back to basics
This setting of breakneck development and intellectual progress is where Russell founded the Bible Student Association, which aspired to go back to basics by studying the Bible itself.
Soon a class for systematic Bible Study was formed in Allegheny, Pennsylvania, and in 1879 Charles Taze Russell was elected its pastor. The movement founded Zion’s Watch Tower, the most widely circulated magazine in the world today, according to Business Insider, with an average of 70 million copies a month in 334 languages. For comparison, National Geographic has a circulation of something over 6 million and is published in 25 different languages.
A few years later, in 1881, Russell was elected the first president of the Watchtower Society. Its purpose was to distribute his teachings in the form of tracts.
Russell was a prolific writer, and his major accomplishments include a six-volume series of systematic theology, “Studies in the Scriptures.” By 1909 this series was one of most widely circulated works in the world, surpassed only by the Bible and The Chinese Almanac.
His crowning achievement at that phase was “The Photo-Drama of Creation,” a ground-breaking innovation that combined sound and color in a motion picture for the first time in history. The film was, viewed by more than eight million people, an astronomical success in terms of the times.
In 1909 Russell moved The Watch Tower Society Headquarters to 124 Columbia Heights in Brooklyn Heights. It would remain there until 2016, when Jared Kushner, son-in-law of U.S. President Donald Trump, bought the property.
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Early advocate of Zionism
On August 18, 1891, now in Jerusalem, Russell wrote to the philanthropists Baron Maurice de Hirsch and Baron Edmond de Rothschild, or as he puts it “the two leading Hebrews of the world.” No less, he put forward a practical plan for Zionism.
It involved purchasing all government-owned land in Palestine, i.e., land not held by private owners, from the impoverished Ottoman Empire. Years later Herzl would make similar proposals. (A copy of the letter is published in “Zion’s Watchtower and Herald of Christ’s Presence”, December 1891, pp. 170-171.)
“As you will see from my books, we find the testimony of the prophets to be, that your nation will be greatly blessed and return to divine favor between now and the year 1915, A.D.,” Russell wrote. The persecutions that Jews were suffering in Russia were “a mark of divine favor rather than the reverse,” the pastor suggested – and it would only get worse because the Lord’s purpose was to drive the Jews “out of all lands whither he has scattered them.”
Pyramid chart from the 1911 Bible Students Convention Souvenir Report. At this time, the Bible Students in association with Pastor Charles Taze Russell believed that the Great Pyramid of Gizeh in Egypt confirmed biblical chronology. They believed the Great Pyramid confirmed their predictions for the year 1914. Pyramidology was rejected by the Bible Students in 1928 by J.F. Rutherford, Russell’s successor, who later renamed the movement Jehovah’s Witnesses.
The Bible Students in association with Pastor Russell thought the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt confirmed biblical chronology.
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To where? To Palestine, as apparently indicated by the prophet (Jeremiah 32:37-44; 33:6-22), Russell explained. Owning not an inch of that land, he had no vested interest, the pastor elaborated, and went on: “My suggestion is that the wealthy Hebrews purchase from Turkey, at a fair valuation, all of her property interest in these lands: i.a., all of the Government lands (lands not held by private owners), under the provision that Syria and Palestine shall be constituted a FREE STATE…”
In his letter, Russell delicately gibes at alternative “Jewish homeland” ideas touted at the time in places other than Israel, though Baron de Hirsch was actually involved in resettling Jews elsewhere: “But please note, my dear Sir, that the sacred Scriptures predict the return to Palestine, and not a further wandering to the ends of the earth—to America or elsewhere. And, therefore, it is my humble opinion that Israel will find no rest for the sole of his foot until he finds the land of promise; and I pray you, therefore, not to waste your efforts in assisting emigration elsewhere, but concentrate them in the direction where God has indicated success…”
We cannot know whether he even replied to Russell, let alone be influenced by him. But a month after Russell’s letter to the barons, on September 11th, 1891, Baron Hirsch founded the Jewish Colonization Association to buy land, principally in North and South America but in Palestine too, where agricultural colonies could be established and resettled by Jews who were persecuted in Russia.
Meanwhile, the pastor’s message did not go unnoticed in the broader Jewish communities of the United States and Europe.
Russell’s Yiddish newspaper
In 1910 Pastor Russell received a letter from a committee of Jewish leaders:
“Dear Sir: Your Sympathetic interest in the Jewish people for years past has not escaped our notice. Your denunciation of the atrocities perpetrated against our race in the name of Christianity has added to our conviction that you are a sincere friend,” wrote the committee members.
“Your discourse on “Jerusalem and Jewish Hopes” has struck a responsive chord in the hearts of many of our people. Still we doubted for a time if any Christian minister could really be interested in a Jew as a Jew and merely from a hope of proselyting him…You may well understand how surprised we are to find a Christian minister acknowledging that there are prophecies of the Bible still fulfilled, which belong to the Jew and not to the Christian…
“These things, Pastor Russell, have led to the formation of a Jewish Mass Meeting Committee, which by this letter, request you to give a public discourse,” they concluded.
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The pastor acceded and on October 9, 1910, gave a talk titled “Zionism in Prophecy” before an audience of about 4,000 Jews at the Hippodrome, New York’s largest and finest auditorium at the time.
As The New York American reported on that day, “The unusual spectacle of 4,000 Hebrews enthusiastically applauding a Gentile preacher, after having listened to a sermon he addressed to them concerning their own religion…where Pastor Russell, the famous head of the Brooklyn Tabernacle conducted a most unusual service. It was not long before all reserve, and all possible doubt of Pastor Russell’s entire sincerity and friendliness were worn away. Then the mention of the name of a great leader [Herzl] who, the speaker declared, had been raised by God for the cause — brought a burst of applause.”
Russell held similar mass meetings in Chicago, Philadelphia, St. Louis, Kansas City, and Cincinnati. In England, he addressed 4,600 Jews in London’s Royal Albert Hall, following which he appeared in Glasgow and Manchester, then gave talks in other European cities with large Jewish populations, including Vienna, Berlin, Krakow, and Budapest.
Make no mistake, his speeches got a mixed reception. After Russell had left one meeting, three Jewish groups got into such a row that 46 policemen were called to disperse them. A Jewish rabbi in New York who fiercely opposed Russell influenced his associates in Austria-Hungary to resist plans for meetings addressing Jews.
However, the Herzl Year Book provides statistics of the printed preaching on the subject of Judaism and Zionism, which appeared in 107,000 copies of Anglo-Jewish newspapers and weeklies, and in 650,000 copies of the Yiddish Press. Russell even published a Yiddish-language paper of his own, Die Shtimme – “the voice”.
Separate covenants
Why would a devout Christian minister invest so much in advocating the idea of a national homeland for the Jews?
In May 26, 1911, Jacob De Haas, editor of the Boston Jewish Advocate and a personal confidant of Herzl, published an article in the Jewish Advocate praising Russell as a “Philo-semite” with no desire to convert the Jews.
Butquestion of Russell’s motivation doesn’t lead to philo-Semitism necessarily: rather it goes to the prophecies of restoration delivered to ancient Israel by prophets in the Bible (Jeremiah 30:18; 31-8-10; Amos 9:14,15; Romans 22:25,26).
“And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them, and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them” – Amos 9:14, for example
Russell was confident that these verses would be fulfilled and that God would restore the Jews to Palestine. In November 1892 he wrote in Zion’s Watch Tower: “There are now in the world more than ten million Jews, about three-quarters of whom, are in Russia, Poland, the Balkan States, and Turkey. If the movement toward Palestine should get the impulse that the Hirsch committee is able to give it, an imaginative person can conceive of the country’s doubling or trebling its Jewish population before the close of our century, and of it’s having a larger Jewish population fifty years hence than it had in ancient times, when its census ran up to three million. Should the restoration be accomplished, all hail to the New Jerusalem!”
He also believed that God had a separate covenant with the Jews and a different covenant with Christians, writing in the Watch Tower, in January 1909, page 28: “The more closely we investigate the New Covenant, the more we must be convinced of this fact – that it belongs to Israel alone.”
These were the sentiments on which Russell’s advocacy of Zionism was based. While he may not have lived to see the fulfillment of his wishes, his legacy continued.
He died in 1916. In 1925, his successor Judge Joseph F. Rutherford wrote the book “Comfort for the Jews.”
Rutherford is rather more renowned for founding Jehovah’s Witnesses, a religious group that emerged from Russell’s Bible Student Movement.
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Before Russell, no Anglo-Jewish newspapers or Yiddish press had carried articles by a Christian minister. When he died on October 31, 1916, the Herzl Year Book observed:”Russell himself, according to the testimony of the American Jewish Press from the years 1910 to 1916, maintained excellent and friendly relations with the leaders of American Jewry to his last days.”

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Jehovah’s Witnesses and «Apostasy»: An expelled child by Svetlana Krilova

 

When you see this film this article will give you the background on the practices of the JW’s. They have developed a new word to cover up their abuse. “Disfellowshipping.” This was a very moving film, and the deadliness of the elders was mindboggling. The loss of feeling and love and the twisting of the principle of discipline is monstrous. A discipline to recreate fellowship is used as a torture machine and to kill all love. Here is an article by Svetlana Krilova from Latvia. She is a member of this organisation:

https://antisekt.com/

Svetlana is in Belfast and we met recently to see how Dialogue Ireland could cooperate with her.

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