Why the Truth, “2X2″‘s, NO NAME ??? can’t deliver on Child Protection

We have for some years been covering the issues related to the 2X2’s whose member Robert Noel Tanner a so called “Worker,” leader, pleaded guilty to a series of sexual assault crimes which took part in the 1970’s.

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http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/preacher-in-religious-sect-assaulted-boy-433352.html

This should be encouraging but the reason we are publishing this story so long after the event is the following.

“In addition to a year’s jail sentence, Tanner was ordered to sign the Sex Offenders’ Register and was not allowed to be near children or vulnerable adults for a period of a year.”

What is disturbing is that the the Truth, 2X2’s or whatever they call themselves you think would have by now created a Child Protection Policy? We have to assume that Robert Noel Tanner is at liberty and now is able to have access to children again? Also why can’t the ? Church establish a Child Protection policy? Why because in order for an organisation to obtain such status it must have a corporate identity or atleast have some form of unincorporated identity like a Trust for its members to be able to adopt or to obtain Garda clearance for its members working with chidren. We were were approached by Social Services about adoption and again the Group is not able to produce a transparent system. It also is using its leadership system to manage what it can’t. In other words one or two Workers can’t be viewed as as an organisation. We will go into this in much greater detail in due course.
We will be publishing very soon the reason why they can’t and why the efforts of Dialogue Ireland over a full year have resulted in no success in addressing this issue.
Here is the sordid history behind the case which is not quite as resolved as the judge may hope.
http://thelibertyconnection.info/index.php…

 

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  1. If you put up 2 or more links your comment is held up, hence the delay.
    We have moved your comment to this post as it is the subject you are commenting on.
    Here is your original comment:

    Your argument is disingenuous at best. You either have a working child protection policy in place or you do not. No I do not have police clearance to protect children in my home but somehow, my policies seemed to have worked well. Just because I am not registered with the police does not mean I don’t have a child protection policy as you seem to suggest. They are not working at all as the basic building block of vetting is not there.
    Just because I am not registered with the police does not mean I don’t have a child protection policy as you seem to suggest.

    Here are some guidelines in Northern Ireland for organisations developing child safeguarding policies. https://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/safeguarding/writing-a-safeguarding-policy/

    As you must be well aware, good policies and practices are what prevent child abuse. In fact, from our experience, the greatest preventative element is awareness which we at WINGS have long promoted amongst 2×2’s.

    https://wingsfortruth.info/

    Here are the sample guidelines for child protection written by “friends and workers” around the world that have been referred to in developing regional guidelines.

    https://sites.google.com/site/csacodeofconduct/entire-site

    Your argument is disingenuous at best.

    You seem to start every response with a personal attack. This is what you are saying about us:
    “not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.”
    Because you do not get the point that I am making about needing to have an organisational structure to obtain clearance or vetting to work with vulnerable people you keep drumming on about having a Protection Policy.
    Checking your IP address I chose a town in BC Canada and talked directly to the police. I will make a separate post on it later. I will also copy and paste your comment to the appropriate post on this namely: https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2018/01/31/report-on-the-2x2s-by-dialogue-ireland-with-reference-to-child-protection-and-other-issues/

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    I phoned the police and asked them what the policy was in regard to vulnerable people like minors. Like in Ireland the police will only deal with organisations and not with individuals period. So it looks like you are confusing two issues namely having a policy and what we are claiming is you can’t implement it.

    You either have a working child protection policy in place or you do not.

    No one has suggested you do not have a policy in place. Our point which Craig Fulton refused to address is that you can have a policy but can’t put the vetting policy in place.

    No I do not have police clearance to protect children in my home but somehow, my policies seemed to have worked well.

    Now you are admitting what I am saying, you have a policy but your Workers and people in your home working with children do not have police vetting or clearance.
    You can have who you like in your home but when your home functions as a 2X2 location all working must be vetted by the police.

    Just because I am not registered with the police does not mean I don’t have a child protection policy as you seem to suggest.

    What I am suggesting is you have a Child Protection Policy in place but you have admitted you can’t implement it in accordance with the law as you have no incorporated or non incorporated body in place.

    As you must be well aware, good policies and practices are what prevent child abuse. In fact, from our experience, the greatest preventative element is awareness which we at WINGS have long promoted amongst 2×2’s. https://wingsfortruth.info/

    We are aware of that, but what you are clearly not aware of is that you need to have all those working with children vetted.

    Here are some guidelines in Northern Ireland for organisations developing child safeguarding policies. https://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/safeguarding/writing-a-safeguarding-policy/

    We are familiar with them and in fact sent them to Craig. We are not interested in the policy but your failure to have an organistion that could implement them.

    Here are the sample guidelines for child protection written by “friends and workers” around the world that have been referred to in developing regional guidelines. https://sites.google.com/site/csacodeofconduct/entire-site

    Excellent material, not a problem with it at all. As I wrote in my report at the Convention I was very impressed by the way everyone took part and the cooperative way of working. That is not a question but the Tanner case raises serious issues still. We still have not seen the policy for Ireland, but we are very clear that the 2X2’s have rejected any organisational system which would make vettting possible. https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/preacher-in-religious-sect-assaulted-boy/

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  2. Your argument is disingenuous at best. You either have a working child protection policy in place or you do not. No I do not have police clearance to protect children in my home but somehow, my policies seemed to have worked well. Just because I am not registered with the police does not mean I don’t have a child protection policy as you seem to suggest.

    Here are some guidelines in Northern Ireland for organisations developing child safeguarding policies. https://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/safeguarding/writing-a-safeguarding-policy/

    As you must be well aware, good policies and practices are what prevent child abuse. In fact, from our experience, the greatest preventative element is awareness which we at WINGS have long promoted amongst 2×2’s.

    https://wingsfortruth.info/

    Here are the sample guidelines for child protection written by “friends and workers” around the world that have been referred to in developing regional guidelines.

    https://sites.google.com/site/csacodeofconduct/entire-site

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  3. I didn’t realize that the above was your actual report as I had read it

    So why are you commenting on the earlier post?

    Your reasoning about how 2×2’s “can’t” have a Child Protection Policy is strange at best.

    It may be strange to you but it is clear. Only organisations can obtain police clearance not individuals or Workers in one’s or twos.
    Who will guard the guards? Having a policy is of little use if you can’t get clearance for people working with children. I gave the concrete case of the social worker who contacted me. Also Craig was unable to answer that point and eventhough he says he answered every question, he clearly did not answer this one.

    I have a working Child Protection Policy in my own home and I don’t need any government regulatory body to be involved!

    Perhaps you could send me the number of your local police officer so I can ask them about your Canadian police clearance regime. We are not talking about the Policy but how a non organisation can be granted police clearance for people working with minors in your home. Outline how it works? It certainly would not see the light of day here.

    2×2’s have child protection policies in one form or another in most places around the world, and based on the minimal reports of abuse we have been getting in WINGS over the last few years,

    Are you missing the point on purpose? You might have Child Protection policies in place but answer how you get police clearance without having an incorporated identity or an unincorporated identity?

    something appears to be working……

    Something seems to not be working namely an individual or household can’t get police clearance. Also when you have Workers living in peoples homes this is just an accident waiting to happen. My limited experience is that they are really on a pedestal and have a conflict of interest in fulfilling the role managing the child protection policies.

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  4. I didn’t realize that the above was your actual report as I had read it. Your reasoning about how 2×2’s “can’t” have a Child Protection Policy is strange at best. I have a working Child Protection Policy in my own home and I don’t need any government regulatory body to be involved!

    2×2’s have child protection policies in one form or another in most places around the world, and based on the minimal reports of abuse we have been getting in WINGS over the last few years, something appears to be working…….

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  5. I am commenting on your statement that the 2×2’s cannot have a Child Protection Policy.

    “Also why can’t the ? Church establish a Child Protection policy?” and “We will be publishing very soon the reason why they can’t ”

    Of course they can and they do.

    Where is your report?

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  6. Perhaps you should read the report first before commenting on it. We clearly show why having a Child Protection Policy is irrelevant.

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  7. They can and they have.

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  8. We have published our report today. We never requested a child protection policy or were seeking one. Our issue is that the 2X2’s can’t implement a policy.

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  9. Ok, should I wait until after your report to produce 2×2 Child Protection policies for you?

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  10. Answer to number 1. No.
    We have been involved in a dialogue with the 2X2’s for nearly a year in Ireland. We are about to publish a report on the issue soon as our attempts to agree on the subject have broken down. The2X2’s will see the report first and have the right of reply before publication. We will address your other questions and your ad hominen comments there.

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  11. Let me ask you one question, at least for starters. Are you people simply against 2x2ism? Or do you actually have some sort or real concern for victims of sexual abuse?

    Do you have any clue whatsoever of the status of child protection policies of 2×2’s around the world?

    If you choose to respond, please do so by facts, not ad hominem attacks.

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