DI received a report that Freedom Ministries is now operating a Men’s Home out of the house below.
Sean Rogers, his wife and Stuart Murphy are continuing what they did in VO. According to our correspondent it is alleged that they “manipulate addicts and alcoholics into paying their dole and selling 40 cases of cupcakes each day.
“Apparently these are the new means to keep Andy and Marie Valdez living at the standard they have come accustomed to from illegal soliciting of money from people.” Our correspondent believes “they are a disgrace to Christianity.”
There are a couple of families there also that run the day to day operation. “Prayer, cooking, sending men out selling cup cakes and window cleaning.” “Greyhounds are kept there also and trained for races…” It is likely that unemployment benefits would be addressed to the house from the local exchange. If anyone has evidence of illegality please make a statement at your local Garda station or if you believe Welfare payments are going astray please phone the Department of Social Protection. Apparently, they search people for iPhones and stuff and ban photographs because of the exposé done on them by RTE. They are paranoid and trying to operate below the radar.
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Dialogue Ireland 
Hi sorry I only saw this now 2years on but I’m annoyed this is even a topic let alone a debate
Ok so this group called dialogue Ireland has been made to fault find and cause unessarry arguments
I don’t care about my name being on here
I was messed up angry addicted and had no we’re to go but jail or hospital
This group called victory outreach offered to help me take me in and show me a different way to value life
No other rehab center could take me in because of
Insurance due to my criminal back ground
Even Jeremy Kyle’s place smithfield deemed me as a insurance risk so declined help
VOI helped me with no hesitation they taught me love respect understanding and morals
I was free to leave if I wanted and exorcised this on a few occasions and yes I went back by my own free will
I went from being a criminal and a addict and allsort of illness and labels
to being fit and healthy no addiction and married for 7 years and counting with four kids working and that is pretty much a miracle
When people look for fault the y find it every time because these people don’t stop till they find it they feed and thrive from other people’s misserry and it’s sad
So yes some things went wrong at VOI and it was shut down these things can happen
For example Garda Síochána has just been fined for incorrect readings of breath tests and all sorts of things
Does this mean they will be shut down ?
Yes
What happens is people learn from there mistakes especaily when disaplined
The two.groups I mentioned were both trying to help society and they made mistakes
Garda Síochána have admitted there mistakes and are going shut down the traffic corps
The same as VO admitted things were not right and shut down VOI
So do people really expect them to stop doing what there called to do or do they learn from the past and Wright the wrongs and continue to help society ?
The Garda Síochána have said there going to replace the whole of the traffic corps with a new unskilled section
I made mistakes as I said earlier including blowing up a car on someone’s driveway whilst they were asleep
I got put in jail in UK for this for a long time before the help of VOI
Does that mean I am evil now ? No
I’m a different person than I was then
Can people change ? I did
The people you have mentioned have all helped me before so maybe RTE would do a documentary on that
Maybe then we could start a new dialogue about it ?
Oh I looked in to freedom ministry’s and this is different ministry legit business / charity s so maybe we should becarful as slander is a costly thing in court
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Anonymous you made a good point a few days ago:
In fact I got this report today.
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Great get my number on our web site or send me a private mail to info@dialogueireland.org with your number.
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Yes no problem
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Anonymous would you be willing to speak to me on the phone in the strictest of confidence?
Thank you for clarifying your earlier post
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Yes I can say they put food on the table for people I was in the house with Sean and the food is drith the don’t need to b taking 140euro a week of people when they make hundreds every day from selling cakes use use week drug addicts to go out and sell them I was in the house for 3 months and left cuz use are evil as the first comment says y cant use put money away for the lads when they are finished the home instead of thinking of yourselfs and the Valdes famley trust me use will all ancer one day to the man up above and wee all no its use put of the house asking to take it down about Alison and it is true I was all so in vo when Alison was in court for doing that to the dead man his name was redzer that was killed in montjoy shame on her that’s all I have to say for now and how can u sleep at night Sean when u no wat your doing is bad but I do no that Andy Valdes has u under his wing u do wat he says use are only a scam and use no it
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Steve wrote
Steve why are you asking this guy to answer your question?
Who is Alison?
Rather ask Sean Rogers to answer this question?
Is it true or not? Calling for the commenter to respond is not what we are about.If Sean can’t answer this we have to take it it is true. If he denies it we will have Anonymous back with the evidence or he can contact me by phone to give me further details. You also seem to think Sean has left, he is part of FM.
Steve:
What relevance does that have Steve? What we are trying to find out is did it happen?
You must know why it is wrong. You claim to have seen the documentary and the confused way they use addicts to fundraise. It is quite clear you are actually supporting the methodology of FM.
Note what he says. He knows Alison all his life. she must be a family member? They are taking the dole off the clients and are claiming the dole themselves in breach of the law. This again corresponds with what was written and spoken about in December 2013.
No Steve unless you can show that they are not reporting what is common knowledge and that it is untrue you are in the wrong. We have evidence of these cup cakes for months now. We had calls from the public about them.
Yes we had at least 10 calls and reports about them. We were so concentrating on the Paul Lloyd movement we were letting the FM get away with murder. VOI will not take responsibility and headed off. Have you any new insights into what VO is doing here?
Steve this shows no insight into undue influence and how vulnerable adults respond.
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I have a couple of questions for you anonymous as you have made some very serious accusations here of a very personal nature. Was this act of Alison done before her conversion or after it? Did you hear it in her testimony? And what is your proof of this ever happening.
As for the house students giving 140 euro every week, what’s wrong with that? I’m sure food is put on the table, clothes are washed, they have running water and electric. Unless you can back up your complaints with evidence this will only turn into a slanging match. I have seen many things that were very wrong in VOI, and things were said and done by individuals that were not Christlike. As for the cake selling issue, again you don’t have any proof of this happening do you? And if it was slavery, the lads and girls have a choice, they could walk out the door
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Mark our comments go straight up.
I hold them and when I am sure they are genuine I let them up.
We have no intention of taking down that comment. If you have material evidence it is wrong produce it. We have in the meantime given the party the right of uncensored reply. We will run the blog not you.
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I’ve have written many posts. IP addresses change when you use your mobile phone. In regards to the post. How can you allow that girl to be slated like that. It’s obvious Sean has said he doesn’t want to reply. Id say it is due to the way people can just write what they want.
I could be stoned out of my head and write anything on here about anyone and it would be left up if it goes along with what you decide is staying up here. Why do you question Jimmys whereabouts??as it don’t matter. Why have u not questioned for proof of the first comment???
This is a serious accusation and you ignore 3 requests to have it removed. You won’t do so because it creates an argument hence more posts. As soon as I confronted you regarding my first post. You threaten to take my post down. Where is my freedom of speech??
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Mark having checked your IP we can see no evidence of you having left a comment before.
You are repeating yourself and we have answered the question you asked. We have no intention of removing the person’s comment. We have given the right of reply and they have elected to not use it. Could you actually address this post or we will ignore further comments from you.
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We need to check if we are not dealing with a sock puppet. When we are will put up Mark’s comment. Comments that do not address the post will be moved
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Mark & Anglo. Sometimes it takes sites like DI to bring out issues within ‘ministries’ that need addressing. Are you really saying that there is not one ounce of truth in the ongoing report and repeated efforts made by DI for transparency with VOI? Has this ALL been made up? At the moment the imbalance has been caused by VOI and Freedom Ministries for not putting forward their view of events, but have instead opted for silence. The first comment is not very helpful (especially if these are just ‘claims’), and character assassination is not the way forward in wanting open, reasonable dialogue. What is your view on the recent events, the RTE investigation and the retreat of VOI in Ireland?
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You don’t sensor free speech but yet you have deleted many of my posts about this excuse of a site. You are a seeker friendly site that does not encourage truth or evidence to back up what can so easily be made up.
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Anonymous we are aware of the request to take them down. We have allowed Sean Rogers the right of reply which he has not taken up. We do not censor free speech and if this event did not take place we need someone to give evidence it did not.
Here is the claim:
These claims are public and suggest someone violated a dead person. also that funds were mismanaged. I suggest you call on the people in FM to either reply or refute these claims.
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DI there has been three request to take down the Frist comment my I add my request for you to do so. I have know association with FM .I live in london. Some of those comment are of a person nature and are very upsetting and if true may be much regretted
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Sean. I admire you coming on here and having a say on what you think is a misperception of a ministry that you and your wife are part of. Because of your closeness to the people who have been in the spotlight for sometime now,this can make your views and explanations of what ‘really’ happened very helpful to those who are asking for answers. We all know that VOI will drop anyone who doesn’t fall into line with their wishes, thus leaving couples who have sacrificed for the ‘vision’ homeless, penniless and outcasts. Is this your view of what VOI has done to you and your family? I know and understand the inner workings of VOI and they will deflect all blame onto Valdez and his followers unless you open dialogue with other parties. I certainly don’t want to attack and put anyone down, but the best starting point is truth, and we can not deny that some vulnerable people were taken advantage of and that is not acceptable for a Christian ministry.
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Sean can you confirm you have someone called Jimmy in your house? Also whether you wish to take up our offer to give you an uncensored right of reply.
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“”””””” “Jimmy” “”””””””
We have given Sean the right of reply and in his first response he did not deny the comment was true.
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You should take down the first comment due to a personal attack on the lady mentioned. It is a clear attack and very very abusive. Is there no evidence required for these accusations.
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Sean how can it be twisted? We have guaranteed you an uncensored post?
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DI I have no comment to say because someone will twist it anyway so God bless you all in your work that you do and I’ll continue my life. Thank you
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Sean Rogers yes you have decided to drop your anonymity, but please do not request people to drop their anonymity. Rather than trying to find out who the person is, could you please reply to their arguments. As you may know we were dealing with Paul Lloyd and wrote up our response. You know they are back in action here now. Have you and Mr. Valdez any reply to this report?
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And aswell why go Anonymous with you comments are you afraid we will know your just a hater? But it’s Ok if your comfortable hiding behind your keyboard typing it fine :) you probably don’t get out much so you have to get your kicks from something :)
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Some people have nothing better to be doing with their life or time but to find wrong in other people I’m apart of this home and all the above is all added on as usual so if people choose to believe that’s fine cuz ill keep doing Wat we do and sleep well at night there is many men and women who’s lives have been completely transformed by coming through this home and couldn’t be more greatful for it so at the end of the day that’s all that matters not some bitter little persons comments
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If you use the name Anonymous and are claiming we should take down Anonymous’s comment?!!!
Perhaps you can tell us what we should take down and why?
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Oh my goodness how can u allow that comment to stay up. An absolute disgrace.
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Yes all true the wife of Sean Rogers is Alison butler from Dublin and she is a evil women she put the word rat on a dead mans head in black marker I no her all my life my bro was in there and he z him and the rest of the house gives 140 hundred every week and plus hundreds every day from selling cakes and them 2 are still claming the dole them self’s I hope they all rot in hell cuz god no’s wat they are doing to the poor lads and girls
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