Victory out of reach? Valdez changes the name but can he change his spots?

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 Disclaimer: Victory Outreach is not connected in anyway to the Church called Victory which formerly met in Firhouse.

Paul Doyle a former member of Victory Outreach wrote the following commentary in regard to developments within Victory Outreach. Dialogue Ireland is trying to find out what is really happening and will write a commentary on this piece.
Submitted on 2014/11/30 at 6:45 pm

Mr Valdez the man behind the vigorous fundraising has now pulled away from victory outreach after he was told by his senior pastor Sonny Arguinzoni to put a stop to fundraising after almost 25 years with the group. Mr Valdez has now set up his own ministry under the new name of ‘Freedom Church’ and are still situated in Ballyfermot. There is no doubt that he has done this so he can continue to fundraise in order to keep up his glamorous lifestyle. He insists that everyone who is picked for fundraising must bring back 900 euro over a 3 day period, Thursday 250 Euro, Friday 300 Euro and Saturday 350 Euro and that doesn’t include children Allowances each month of €250. As a former member I use to bring in between around 12 to 14 hundred Euro a week over a period of several years. It is known he and his family visited California 11 times last year and the same this year. All he is interested in is to line his pockets along with his top staff who are part of the abuse. They make sure through the charity urban outreach to only show what goes into the homes and vans etc but the thousands not declared is lining their own pockets.
Victory outreach has a new pastor and I’m sure it will be the same as before apart from the fundraising but it helped me when I was down and I appreciate that but it tore my family apart and left me 21 thousand in credit card debt as I was told I must go to certain events to California over the years I was there.
So make sure to let the whole of Ireland that a new ministry is on the prowl.

In 2012 we posted material because we had been receiving requests to look into VO and this opened up awareness about VO and though we had little information at the time a lot of people put up comments about it.
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/victory-outreach-what-is-really-going-on/

Prime Time began to do research and nearly a year later showed very concrete evidence of how addicts were used in an inappropriate way to fund raise for the organisation.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/victory-outreach-prime-time-special-report/

http://www.rte.ie/news/player/2013/1217/20493072-vulnerable-addicts-working-to-raise-money-for-religious-charity/

Nearly a year on we received a report that suggests that Sonny Arguinzoni the head of Victory Outreach became aware of the problems associated with the reports which seemed to suggest that they were implicated in what was going on in Ireland. Dialogue Ireland has not received any communication from them indicating that the record needs to be corrected. They did claim on the Prime Time documentary that Dublin was out of line with US practice.

Mr Valdez the man behind the vigorous fundraising has now pulled away from Victory Outreach after he was told by his senior pastor Sonny Arguinzoni to put a stop to fundraising after almost 25 years with the group. Mr Valdez has now set up his own ministry under the new name of ‘Freedom Church’ and are still situated in Ballyfermot.

Normally when a person is in breach of the ethics of a Church they do not pull away and take over the entity, but are disciplined and if recalcitrant are excommunicated. Here Mr Valdez instead of being removed has taken over the Church and the strategy of Victory Outreach is quite bizarre as most of the church members have sided with them but they are doing nothing to challenge Valdez’s take over and illegal renaming of the Church as ‘Freedom/ Saoirse Church.’

This section has been edited for clarity:

It appears that after a confrontation in a hotel three weeks ago the Victory Outreach is just trying to continue the ministry in a group which has been meeting for a number of years and who have stayed loyal to them. They have meetings on a Tuesday and on Sunday. The group which involves Ger Martin, who is an ordained Minister, Julie Martin his wife and others  meets in Killarney Court, Dublin 1 very close to the memorial for one of the most affected areas of the drug crisis. DI received a demand from Julie Martin to take down her name and seems for some reason to blame Paul Doyle for the information that Ger and his wife are involved with VO in Dublin 1. After nearly 30 minutes on the phone Ger was going around in circles suggesting he was not a leader but just part of a group that reads the bible. He admitted that he was an ordained minister of the VO, but claimed that did not represent leadership. It is clear that he has some reason to deny his involvement in leadership but our conversation ended without resolution. DI has indicated we are happy to publish any statement they wish to send us. He led me to believe that VO in the States was going to challenge Valdez in the courts, but seemed reluctant to discuss this. After the reports which were very critical of VO on Prime Time last year it is not surprising he is conflicted about using the name VO. He seemed open to working with other Christian groups to resolve the issues around bringing Valdez to justice. Hopefully when some leaders from HQ come next week we can sit around the table and move this on.

Thursday December 4. A source has told us that not only is there a structure of VO in place but that Ger Martin has a more senior Pastor from the States over already who is supervising him here in Dublin. We have also heard that the Cork VO under Martin Lynch accepted the ultimatum to not leave with Valdez and is loyal to VO. Our source also told us that Sonny Arguinzoni who is currently in South Africa will be arriving here in Ireland. It now looks like DI will not be invited to meet as suggested with VO. This is based on the comments left on our blog and calls which I received which suggested a level of paranoia and misunderstanding. One left a text which stated that ‘you do not know what Victory Outreach has done to us.’ I assume she is so psychologically under the influence of Valdez still that she can’t distinguish between his Church which has opened up under the freedom label and the one that used to be called Victory Outreach which she is involved with still, and has a Pastor from their HQ right there with her?

There is no doubt that he has done this so he can continue to fund raise in order to keep up his glamorous lifestyle. He insists that everyone who is picked for fundraising must bring back 900 euro over a 3 day period, Thursday 250 Euro, Friday 300 Euro and Saturday 350 Euro and that doesn’t include children Allowances each month of €250. As a former member I use to bring in between around 12 to 14 hundred Euro a week over a period of several years. It is known he and his family visited California 11 times last year and the same this year. All he is interested in is to line his pockets along with his top staff who are part of the abuse.

Paul you can see is filled with righteous indication but fails to see while he fumes Valdez has walked away with all the assets. The cat with the cream. The group who remain in Victory Outreach need to take a step back and remember where they came from, namely Teen Challenge. Here in Ireland Teen Challenge has developed a very professional service connected to a wide of variety of churches to assist addicts. This is the time to reconsider the model they are working with. A Church with only single mothers, or golfers or Fianna Fail members is going to be lopsided. Do they need to move beyond being a church associated with addicts? Does this controversy give them pause to reflect and ask for help from others working in the field? Also they will need legal and other advice in order to bring Valdez to justice and to recover their assets. However, to just launch into a frenzy of trying to duplicate what is there already shows a great absence of wisdom.

They make sure through the charity urban outreach to only show what goes into the homes and vans etc but the thousands not declared is lining their own pockets.

This sentence above could be read without understanding what it is really saying.
1. Victory Outreach Church currently has no charitable status, and so you could call it Banana Church or as he has named it ‘Freedom/ Saoirse Church.’
2. The charitable entity which has directors is a company called Urban Outreach. It is my understanding that Valdez and Stewart Murphy are currently directors. The claim by some is that most of the fundraising cash went straight into the Church and only a small official amount to keep Revenue happy was put through the books of Urban Outreach. The charity no. for this entity is CHY 1402, but since the formation of the Charities Regulatory Authority in October this is now a registered charity, as it existed before the commencement of the Authority. However, it was set up to be a vehicle for Victory Outreach so Valdez must be challenged about his activities by members who seek the help of the new Charities Regulatory Authority. https://www.charitiesregulatoryauthority.ie
3. We can only assume that following the programme last year that the charity and its relationship to the Church will become the subject of an audit. I would suggest if there is a representative of the US Victory Outreach they need to through loyal members here to initiate an investigation of the abuses alleged against Valdez. He needs to be stripped of his ministerial credentials and a meeting must be held with all the members of the Victory Outreach Church in Dublin who are a majority to oust Valdez from Ballyfermot and any other properties.

Victory outreach has a new pastor and I’m sure it will be the same as before apart from the fundraising but it helped me when I was down and I appreciate that but it tore my family apart and left me 21 thousand in credit card debt as I was told I must go to certain events to California over the years I was there.

Paul I would say that Victory has a pastor who has remained loyal to the aims and objectives of the organisation that came into this jurisdiction. He is not new but is legally the only one left who should be challenging Valdez in regard to this issue.
1 Cor 6 suggests that Christians should not participate in law against each other. My suggestion is for Victory Outreach to invite Dialogue Ireland to assist them in regard to setting up a group of Christian leaders in the form of a Christian Tribunal from around the city and also Teen Challenge who are part of the kind of work they do. They  would elect an elder from among those willing to assist and invite Mr Valdez to a Christian forum to air the issues at stake. He would be able to invite any elder he wishes to represent him. If he refuses then you would be forced to take this to the Charities Regulatory Authority and also the company would be in breach of its charitable articles of Association as he would no longer be subject to Christian discipline. Having had numerous experiences of Churches that have resorted to law over the last 30 years I can only suggest it never comes out with Christians smelling of roses.

So make sure to let the whole of Ireland that a new ministry is on the prowl.

I would suggest that what we have here is a renegade ministry which has sucked the life out of the golden goose and gone missing. Victory Outreach needs to change its mindset from that of being a victim and claim its space. What space? They have a duty to all those who have been ripped off to stand up to Valdez for now and eternity.

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  1. The Valdez family arrived in dDublin in 1997 and invited total strange drug addicts into their ffamily home including me and 1999 again in 2001 each time it really helped me fundraising was a part off it which helped let me and the men’s. home to USA an experience I would have never got and maybe pastor Andrew Valdez and family did benefit from our fundraising but they cared about the church unlike pastor Ger Martin Martin lynch who are tied to the otoole family as sister Julie and pastor Martin is Gary otolles brother in law and the truth is they are lining their own pockets which they knew pastor Andrew Valdez was aware of this so decided to all back each other up against pastor Andrew Valdez as I have great access to our national media I will expose this but hopefully the elders of European Churchs decide to give victory outreach dublin a complete overhaul then it will grow because as it stands the above mentioned admit their role in gaining their financial wrongdoings it’s just like replacing an old sinner with ones who are every bit as bad in some cases worse I will continue to pray for God’s will to prevail then the people including me will flock back pl

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  4. Have you a number

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  5. I will gladly speak to you. E-mail.to come

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  6. Why do you have a donate option di?

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  7. There is 2 Paul Doyle’s. One left vo with a traumatic experience. One ran the men’s home in Drogheda for around 8 years. Nice guy, but a product of victory outreach; clean, but no recovery, no inside work done. He directs cork under Martin. They seem to be separate to Dublin and I sense a genuinity from Martin. This new Valdez mob is shocking stuff. Not the stuff of God. Did you know a women’s home director got a client pregnant and there’s more I will not say. This website has been very good in helping weed Valdez out. At the end of the day. There are nice people with Valdez, but brainwashed by Jim and his family. They are addicts who were once desperate. I have worked with some of them beforehand.I have worked with the damage Valdez did. Freedom is going to be a ruthless mob. None will even admit to being in it.

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  8. Look forward to talk to hearing from you. I suggest a call and then emails. I thought Martin was in Cork, who is Paul?

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  9. I think all that last debate is stratified to throw people off the scent. Ger is a good man. As for Julie, she’s an O’toole………. Gary, who ran the home on d
    Prime time. Trevor got off lightly, a violent(only to weak vulnerable sick addicts)he is so fat from the funds and is 6foot3″. He chocked people, threw cups at people, kicked people out, non stop gangland talk, when in reality, he did one job and it got found, guess who paid the bill???those closest to him, at a housely cost!!!a bully. I will gladly speak to di after proof of sincerity. Any of valdez mob could be involved, they will say a lot about Paul, I know the story with Paul and his life was good from sending people out fundraising, but God left him with consequences. I believe Paul is genuine. Not to be confused with Paul in cork who is Valdez mob. It wouldn’t surprise me if that mob have attacked many people physically. Also, Trevor would never take polish, Russian, Lithuanian etc, why? Because they would put him in his place, in every sense. He will say danos was in his home, but no, he threw him out and he graduated another home but because of his language struggle he was left minding up to 6 cold turkeys a day alone. Dialogue Ireland reply and I will set up an e-mail to communicate with you. Screenshots of all my comments are stored and I know you have saved hundreds from the damage Valdez does, I respect this and will be glad to help, anonymously.

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  10. Pete

    How come you only question my comments when there’s loadsa posts on similar subjects on your site that are never questioned.

    We are not questioning your comments but you approached me offering to give evidence that the practices which were reported in the Prime Time documentary were continuing to this day. In order to verify that this information is correct we must check who you are and whether your story stacks up. I explained this to you for nearly a whole night. You just refuse to accept that you must be transparent and open. We guarantee anonymity and to protect our sources. What we can’t do is treat anonymous commenters and comments as gospel till we have checked them out.

    I know what I done I know what I seen and I know what went on.

    If this is the case then you should be willing to give us the evidence to bring to VOI when we meet them again.

    Looks like your siding with them know it’s exactly why I won’t engage.

    This is delusional logic which shows you do not understand how we operate. When we published the issues concerning VOI in 2012 and were trying to get to the truth where where you? We want to hear your testimony but we must be able to stand over what we hear from you. Please do not keep moaning this is up to you. You are free to comment in any way you like, but to use these comments currently is impossible.

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  11. How come you only question my comments when there’s loadsa posts on similar subjects on your site that are never questioned. I know what I done I know what I seen and I know what went on. Looks like your siding with them know it’s exactly why I won’t engage.

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  12. Have to conclude that your unwillingness to engage means you have something to hide. You are firing blanks till you do.

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  13. They are money mad in Manchester too. They get housing benefits for all there boys. We all talked when we met at conferences. The boys told us everything.

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  14. Yes you can leave any comment here you like. That is not the issue. When we meet Paul Lloyd we need eye witness evidence. We are not wishing to expose you merely to see if your evidence stacks. It is the most basic aspect of evidence gathering

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  15. Is this site not for people to freely give there opinion and comment on. And the amount of hearsay posts are unbelievable. I have contacted you in privacy as I don’t want to get associated with anyone on here. I was in Belfast, Cork and Dublin and all homes where the same. Fundraising machines. Even after the programme on rte we still fundraiser in Cork.

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  16. We understand that but have you any evidence it is going on now? Pete you have been in touch with me but refuse to give me proof of your comments. They are therefore hearsay.

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  17. The Pastor might have changed but the same immature people are still there. I was in Belfast with Gerry and Julie and all we ever done was fundraise. We had to keep our welfare down the south because it was more than the welfare up north. When we went down South to collect our labour we would fundraise. Oh Ye the Gym and Fundraise. There all the same them people.

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  18. Hi I just read your comment below and it’s neatier here nor there weather I use my name or remain anonymois really who cares :-) Anyways I did see Pastor Sonny and his wife the founders of Victory Outreach International and we had a good. talk also a meeting.
    with the few people (probley. 30 or 40 ) of us that were there.
    as im not going to comment on.
    this issue any more simple because I have more on my plate and in my life at this moment and time to be going back and forward on the same subject that’s being going on long enough now. But the
    scripture ( Matt 18 which I. haven’t had the time to read it. but I suppose it’s about. forgiveness ) and leave this all in. the good Lords hands. After. all were all sinners and all need. forgiveness in some way or another. Also the new Victory Outreach City Church just wants
    to move on and go forward in
    the things of the Lord Im so glad our Pastor and founder got in touch with you and gave you
    some understanding. As for the
    Valdaz family what ever
    happens to them they will just
    have to deal with it.
    Thank you.
    And have a great Christmas and prosperous new year.

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  19. I am not sure why you continue to use the name Anonymous when you and your sister keep making comments which are more incoherent each time. May I suggest you step back and focus on trying to come to terms with the events which have occurred over the last few weeks. Also I may I suggest you talk to your US Pastor currently in Dublin as I have now received a clarification from VO about the events surrounding the removal of Valdez from office. He is no longer in VOD and currently will be facing major problems as he has not left the stage but brazenly tried to rename the organisation and to act without authority by taking over functions he no longer has. So my proposals for a Christian Tribunal at which he would appear at are now redundant. He has been excommunicated and the leadership of VO has followed the principles of Matt 18 and given him the opportunity to repent and to amend his ways. He has now to be treated as a publican and sinner. For the sake of the ministry action will need to be taken to have Valdez removed as of Director of the Charitable vehicle Urban Outreach which was set in place to facilitate the ministry of VO. I would assume that as I wrote the Gardai will be involved as it is my understanding as Paul wrote earlier that most of the money was put into accounts associated with the Church, and not Urban Outreach. More likely the cash was kept in liquid form and as the Prime Time documentary showed last year recovering addicts who were brought as trophies of Grace to the States and were unwitting couriers of the proceeds of fundraising which were intended to further the work of VOD.
    I believe the issues of Ger and Julie Martin will be clarified and a full statement will be made next week regarding their situation and the situation in general. I have received very helpful clarification from persons who for the moment will remain unnamed to protect all concerned. Also Valdez must know that all eyes will be on him as this proceeds. Like Abundant Life in Galway where the Pastor Sanford left a massive bill in relation to the properties he rented, Valdez must know that any properties he has are going to begin to be a problem for him. He no longer will have access to volunteers who can be used to keep the cash flowing. If he stays the search lights will come onto him. If he flees to the States the assets he has accumulated will likely be the subject of relentless contention by VO assisted by the IRS.
    I would also suggest you read the post again. We are now calling Valdez Freedom. So when we say VO we mean not the pre two weeks ago situation, but the current situation where VOD and VOC are back under legitimate authority. So saying you are VO does not imply we are connecting Julie and Ger with Valdez but the opposite. Because they are so involved emotionally they can’t presently see the wood from the trees.

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  20. Julie Paul didnt put your name up sis it was the DI people themselves the site.
    I also want to say that the family that’s coming from America is a pastor his wife and 4 kids also a team of other people there leaving the countries to come help the Irish down and nuts and this is what you say yes the people in victory Outreach Dublin messed up but as I says not all Victory Outreach are the same get your facts right.

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  21. DI just to tell you my sister is not sorry you said (I ASSUME she’s so psychologically under the influence of Valdez. In the first place you can not go around making assumptions about people I suggest you get your facts right DI. My family has being true enough with the VOD church that’s why we left we dont belong to it coz they were doing wrong. But there still apart of the minister of VO and the new name will be victory outreach city church and it’s getting held in the inner city to help people that need help. Please stop bringing my sisters name up on to this site when all your saying is your Assuming this and that about her if you want to meet me I will meet you and give you the whole truth about what went on in the VOD church. And what’s now going to happen in this new church why do you think they are sending good people over from America a family of 4 kids to help out do you think they do this for fun not all Victory Outreach is bad just coz VO Dublin messed up and belive me I know I was there and so was my whole family. It dosent mean tthere all like that.

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  22. sorry som of my wors on my laptop ar broken can you tell us what my sister has says sh is not with victory outreach ublin no mor our family has bing truy nough with thm so plz can you tak hr nam of tk you as wr rally going tru a lot as a family

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  23. I woul lik to no who you ar that mention my sister

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  24. Anonymous it’s Julie: Do you get it Anonymous and then gives her name?
    Julie unfortunately, because you are not aware how a blog works you are accusing Paul of something he has not done. If you look at the comment he wrote which is part of this post and does not mention you at all. I mentioned you.
    https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2014/12/02/victory-out-of-reach-valdez-changes-the-name-but-can-he-change-his-spots/

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  25. I am not in charge of victory outreach and Paul Doyle how dare you put my name on this my family has gone true enough so please take it down now

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  26. Paul it’s Juie erase my name

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