Here we report the reply obtained by Sarah Macdonald from the Papal Nuncio. Please read our commentary after the article:
In an article published in the Irish Independent today Sarah MacDonald
Published 24/11/2014 |
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/new-archbishop-in-tune-with-popes-missionary-church-30768359.html
….Meanwhile, the Papal Nuncio has responded to an Irish Independent investigation into the Achill Island ‘House of Prayer’ by urging anyone who feels they have been mistreated by persons involved with the movement to go to the gardai.
Archbishop Brown cited a 2008 investigation by the Archdiocese of Tuam into the purported visions of Christina Gallagher and miracle healings at the Achill retreat.
The Nuncio said that investigation had resulted in a formal statement from Archbishop Neary in Tuam in which he instructed that the “celebration of the sacraments and reservation of the Blessed Sacrament at the ‘House of Prayer’ are not permitted”.
“Any work carried on since then has been entirely of a private nature and has no Church approval whatever,” Archbishop Brown said. Irish Independent
….Meanwhile, the Papal Nuncio has responded to an Irish Independent investigation into the Achill Island ‘House of Prayer’ by urging anyone who feels they have been mistreated by persons involved with the movement to go to the gardai.
Many victims have written to the Nuncio who to remind our readers has two functions in regard to his office:
1. To represent the Vatican State to the Irish State,
2. To represent the Pope to the Irish Episcopal Conference.
First of all he has no jurisdiction as a diplomat to advise Irish citizens to go to the Gardai. He has been asked to convey to the Pope and to Congregation for Doctrine and Faith the failure of the Irish bishops to stop a group which they do not recognise but claims to be fully Catholic from abusing their good name and leading their members astray. We will show how the Catholic Church have developed a strange way to try to avoid responsibility later.
The Gardai can only investigate crime when there is direct evidence which they can look at. How do they investigate a mother or father who is handing over “voluntarily,” due to undue influence a lot of cash. More importantly the Gardai are not psychologists who can get a grip on what is happening.
It is clear that the Irish Church is doing further damage by now getting the Papal Nuncio to answer the questions which were also put to the new Archbishop of Armagh, Eamon Martin.
No gentlemen, these people have come to you as guardians of Catholicism in Ireland looking for bread and you answer by giving them stones.
Why is this the case?
Archbishop Brown cited a 2008 investigation by the Archdiocese of Tuam into the purported visions of Christina Gallagher and miracle healings at the Achill retreat.
There was no investigation in 2008 and Charles Brown has either not read the text of the Archdiocese which first goes back to the investigation which began in 1996. It then culminates in a letter from Michael Neary dated December 1997.* We will post full statements from 1997, ’98 and 2008 under this article.
It starts with a charm offensive and says the HofP are basically nice guys. They first try to kill them with kindness. Read it for yourself:
http://www.tuamarchdiocese.org/2008/02/achill-house-of-prayer/
They then get to the kernel of the problem namely they do not see any grounds for accepting Christina’s visions.
While recognising the difficulty involved in treating such matters, I find myself obliged to state that no evidence has been presented which might prove beyond reasonable doubt the occurrence of supernatural phenomena of whatever kind in this situation other than that of faith.
Then there is detailed description which defines very clearly a way forward. The HofP have since 1997 avoided this statement like the plague. You will note that they keep referring to this quotation: “Mrs. Gallagher and her associates retain, of course, the right to believe and state their belief that such have indeed occurred and continue to occur. The question, as far as competent ecclesiastical authority is concerned, remains open and unproven.”
The next year when Christina refuses to submit the Archbishop has to write again in 1998. Nothing has changed. Christina has thrown the rattle out of the pram as follows:
Statement of Most Rev. Michael Neary, Archbishop of Tuam,
Regarding the public announcement by Mrs. Christina Gallagher that she intends closing the House of Prayer at Achill.
The Archbishop realises cash is the issue:
My letter also contained a request for detailed accounts concerning any monies which might have been willed or otherwise donated for “pious causes” of whatever kind since the House of Prayer had been opened. This is an area which comes under the jurisdiction of any diocesan bishop but I had not addressed it previously, preferring to wait for the establishment of the Private Association and, with that, a more structured mode of supervision. It remains a legitimate matter of interest for my office and will be pursued in spite of the decision to close the House of Prayer.
Finally, according to the archbishop in 2008 and ten years after his last missive the Archdiocese states that due to media requests they merely restate and finally end up with this statement:
In summary the ‘House of Prayer’ has no Church approval and the work does not enjoy the confidence of the diocesan authorities.
Now does that not sound like an action plan for the removal of a group who are adding house to house, where the Archbishop must have received hundreds of complaints from family members about the undue influence their family member are under? So like Houdini they come up with a neat little trick. It is called the Non recognition Trick. How does it work? You wash your hands and do a Pontius Pilate by saying it is not Catholic by just saying the mantra, We do not recognise. We do not recognise. Refrain is fool on you. Christina could not care less and Cardinal Brady claims all is well and allows his priest to go there every week because it is kosher. Result we appeal to Tuam and they pass the parcel to Armagh. We appeal to Armagh and they refer you back to Tuam, ring a ring a Rosie, catch 22.
Simple logic.
1. If the place is not recognised and Archbishop Neary is the person to ascertain practice in his diocese why is a Cardinal undermining Tuam by letting his priest Fr Gerard McGinnity go to a diocese where he is not welcome every week?
Every week buses from the south stop in Knock for mass. Why? Because the place they are travelling 4 hours by bus and back to has no Eucharist. This is to give the impression that the HofP is a normal Catholic location. Ask any parish priest in the country what role Hoppers have in their congregation? Zero as they are not focused on the local parish but on the ark of salvation in Achill.
Undue influence is the name of the game.
What needs to happen? Tuam needs to stop being a laughing stock and get real. They are dealing with a nasty situation and must take drastic action to correct the wrongs going on for 21 years. Their inaction is criminal and as a Christian of another Confession I can call a spade a spade.I have talked and consoled the families who have lost the love and affection of loved ones.
Go to the gardai, give us a break. You go to Rome. First now send her messages to Rome and as she refuses to submit begin the process of condemnation leading to excommunication.
The 1983 code of Canon Law seems to be weak and some Bishops seem to unable to act with proper authority. My question is this? Go into any shop in Tuam and ask a lay person what they would do?
Get Fr McGinnity out of a place that has no Church approval. Begin the process of having Cardinal Brady brought to answer before Pope Francis for his intellectual, moral and canonical failure to address this issue. Pope Francis it can only be assumed is not familiar with what is going on. I have personally asked Charles Brown to bring these issues to the Pope’s attention. His reply to the Irish Independent indicates he is going to be part of the cover up involved with this case and not brief him. Also it appears that the Irish Episcopal Conference is going to bottle this one. It now looks like we will ourselves have to go to Rome with a delegation of families, collapsed Catholics, lapsed Catholics, agnostics and atheists to approach Pope Francis. It is a pity Ian Paisley is dead as he would be able to shout Never, No Never… will we accept the damage that the Catholic Church is involved with. Nonsense about secularism and faith being under attack. We are going to be a risen people who if the leaders will not lead and let this kind of abuse continue will have to take a lead in this. Also it has to be said that the state has shown no interest in this either.
The Nuncio said that investigation had resulted in a formal statement from Archbishop Neary in Tuam in which he instructed that the “celebration of the sacraments and reservation of the Blessed Sacrament at the ‘House of Prayer’ are not permitted”
The Nuncio conflates the letters and has really not done any research as the issue of celebration of the sacraments and reservation of the Blessed Sacraments does not arise. The have been removed for years. The issue is authority and who is the ‘Taoiseach’ or do you just keep saying you do not recognise the dissidents. No you give them time to consider their position and then show them the door. Enough is enough.
“Any work carried on since then has been entirely of a private nature and has no Church approval whatever,” Archbishop Brown said.
The House of Prayer masquerade as Catholics. They are by their actions telling you to take a running jump. Your failure to act means you will have to account for your failure to at least do something to stop the acquisition of a portfolio of wealth in your name.
They claim to be good Catholics in union with Rome and do not know what the problem is? The fact that it is Archbishop Brown that is responding to this crisis and not the new Archbishop of Armagh or the Archbishop of Tuam shows a policy of containment rather than engagement. The Papal Nuncio it seems likely will not pass on to the Pope the cries of those who wish to see the madness of the House of Prayer stopped
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Archdiocese of Tuam
Monday, 24th November 2014Achill House of Prayer
February 29, 2008 getonline News, Press Statements, Statements – House of Prayer, AchillPublic Statement of the Archbishop of Tuam, Most Rev. Dr. Michael Neary, with regard to the claims and works of Mrs. Christina Gallagher and the ‘House of Prayer’ at Achill, Co. Mayo.
In June of 1996 I constituted a Special Committee of Enquiry for the purpose of carrying out an investigation into the claims and work of Mrs. Christina Gallagher, resident at the ‘House of Prayer, Achill Sound, Achill, Co. Mayo in this archdiocese. The Committee, composed of two priests and a religious sister, has recently submitted its report. In the light of this report, and after due reflection and consultation, I wish to make the observations and announce the provisions listed below.
Observations
I have had submitted to me no evidence which would give cause for questioning the integrity, good will, sincerity of spiritual devotion or orthodoxy of faith either of Mrs. Christina Gallagher or of her collaborators in the work termed ‘The House of Prayer’ at Achill.
Further to the above, it appears that there is a great deal in the same work which is wholesome and good and which has been a force for good in the faith, prayer and lives of many people who have, in whatever manner, been associated or otherwise in contact with it.
While recognising the difficulty involved in treating such matters, I find myself obliged to state that no evidence has been presented which might prove beyond reasonable doubt the occurrence of supernatural phenomena of whatever kind in this situation other than that of faith. Mrs. Gallagher and her associates retain, of course, the right to believe and state their belief that such have indeed occurred and continue to occur. The question, as far as competent ecclesiastical authority is concerned, remains open and unproven.My chief concern at this point is that the work termed ‘The House of Prayer’ be integrated into the life of Achill parish, of this Archdiocese and of the Church in general in a more stable and ordered manner than has heretofore been the case. I am also concerned that it should be helped to adhere more closely to the original understanding, which obtained with both my predecessor, Archbishop Cassidy, and Mrs. Gallagher, of what it would in fact be and strive to achieve. To these ends I am to make certain provisions, summarised below, in its regard.
Provisions
By Agreement with Mrs. Christina Gallagher and her associates, the work termed ‘The House of Prayer’, located in premises of the same name at Achill Sound, Achill, Co. Mayo, is to take the form of a Private Association of the Christian Faithful. Such associations consist of persons who freely choose to collaborate in a particular kind of apostolate or in pursuit generally of some end related to the Church’s mission in the world. They exist and operate in conformity with canon law which expressly envisions and provides for them.
This new Private Association will be erected in a lawful manner and will, in continuing conformity with canon law, draw up governing statutes and submit them to me as diocesan bishop for approval.
The same statutes will include, as in canonically required, a clear and unambiguous statement of the ends which the Association intends to pursue and the means to be employed towards these ends. Chief among the statutory ends, in the case of the ‘House of Prayer’ at Achill, will be the adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, the recitation of the Rosary and the provision and proper maintenance of a place of spiritual retreat for priests. These ends are those originally agreed upon by my predecessor, Archbishop Cassidy, and Mrs. Gallagher and I observe that the clarity of this agreement may have become somewhat obscured during the intervening years.
As is required by canon law, the new Association will be subject to my authority as diocesan bishop in all matters concerning the administration and disposition of funds either donated or left in bequests to it for pious causes. Furthermore, although such associations are normally free to administer their other goods and property as they see fit, subject to their statutes, it remains my duty to ensure that all such goods and property owned by such an association in my diocese are used for the statutory ends of the Association. In order to ensure that everyone involved is allowed to discharge their proper duties in these matters the Association will be required to consult regularly with diocesan authorities and to submit accounts.
The chapel which is located on the premises occupied by the ‘House of Prayer’ at Achill Sound is to be formally designated and established as a Private Chapel in the sense of this term as it is understood in canon law. As such, it may only be used for the celebration of Mass and other sacred celebrations subject to my permission and supervision in my capacity as diocesan bishop. The Parish Priest of Achill will, ex officio, be Chaplain and the curate in Achill Sound will, by virtue of his appointment, be Assistant Chaplain. These two priests along will have faculties to preach and hear confessions in this chapel. Furthermore, no priest, other than these two, may celebrate the Mass in the Chapel without permission from me.
Should the Association as such require a spiritual advisor, as distinct from the chaplain and assistant chaplain whose duties do not necessarily include such a service, its members are perfectly entitled by canon law to choose any priest from among those legitimately exercising ministry in the archdiocese, subject to my confirming such an appointment.
The Association, finally, will have as its headquarters the premises presently occupied by the ‘House of Prayer’ at Achill Sound. The work of the Association will be carried on at this location and at no other within the territory of the Archdiocese. The same will be noted and confirmed in the statutes of the Association and will be strictly adhered to.
I earnestly hope that the work of Mrs. Gallagher and her associates in the ‘House of Prayer’ at Achill will benefit from its new form and standing within this diocese. While the Church is obliged to exercise the greatest caution in approving such works it cannot ignore the possibilities presented by the dynamism which has characterised this particular one so far. I believe that it shows genuine potential for growth and for making a valuable contribution to the life of the Church. In this regard I look forward to working closely with the members of the new Association as they integrate their dedicated approach with that of the parish of Achill and of the Archdiocese of Tuam in general.
Signed: __________________
+Michael Neary
Archbishop of Tuam.Dated: 16th December, 1997.
Statement of Most Rev. Michael Neary, Archbishop of Tuam,
Regarding the public announcement by Mrs. Christina Gallagher that she intends closing the
House of Prayer at AchillI learned today, with considerable surprise, that Mrs. Christina Gallagher has decided to close the House of Prayer at Achill. This information was transmitted to my office by the local radio station to which Mrs. Gallagher had already made a statement of her intention. In the course of various statements made by Mrs. Gallagher on radio throughout the day, and in the course of the ensuing public discussion, a number of points have been made which I feel bound to address in an equally public manner.
I wish to state clearly and emphatically that at no time have I ever instructed Mrs. Gallagher, either verbally or in writing, to take this step. On the contrary, I have repeatedly stated, both verbally and in writing, that it was not my intention to close the House of Prayer. This decision had been made by Mrs. Gallagher and if she has taken advice on the matter it was not requested of me or of my office.
I have had occasion in the past to question, both privately and in conversation and correspondence with Mrs. Gallagher, whether she had indeed been well advised at various stages in her dealings with the Archdiocese. I repeatedly offered the services of a canon lawyer, in order to make absolutely certain that justice would be served, but this offer was not availed of. I remain unconvinced that she has ever, in this matter, had the benefit of advice which might be called sound in every relevant sense.
My predecessor, to the record of whose earlier decisions in the matter Mrs. Gallagher has chosen to appeal, officially opened the House of Prayer in 1993. Dr. Cassidy explicitly and repeatedly stated at that time and afterwards that the House of Prayer was intended to be a place of quiet where the adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, the recitation of the Rosary and the provision of a place of retreat for some priests would be the only activities.
Within a fortnight after the opening he found himself obliged to write to Mrs. Gallagher in protest against persistent deviation on the part of the House of Prayer from that original simple vision. This tendency to stray from the terms of which the Archbishop had permitted the House of Prayer to function was to continue. Instead of a quiet place of retreat a de facto shrine was coming into being, attracting large crowds of visitors weekly. In a letter to Mrs. Gallagher of 15th September, 1994, Dr. Cassidy criticised these developments again and refused permission, as requested by Mrs. Gallagher, for an extension of the actual premises.
My own initiatives with regard to the House of Prayer are a matter of public record. My intention throughout was to facilitate a far greater degree of integration of the House of Prayer into the local church community and to encourage Mrs. Gallagher to proceed cautiously and wisely in the gradual development of her work. I believed and still believe that the measures which I adopted and the mode of development which I proposed would have guaranteed a future, perhaps a significant one, for Mrs. Gallagher’s work insofar as that work might have been inspired by God and for the good of the church.
The model of existence and operation which I had hoped Mrs. Gallagher would adopt for her work was that of the Private Association of the Christian Faithful, the most basic and flexible model of association presently available in Canon Law. I was pleasantly surprised when, after months of delay and apparently fruitless correspondence, Mrs. Gallagher contacted me recently to tell me that she had set up such an association, as she had indeed a right to do. I was surprised further, however, to be informed in the same letter that not my approval but rather that of Rome would be requested for the statutes of the new association since this work was to be “of world-wide scope”.
In my most recent letter to Mrs. Gallagher I was obliged to ask for clarification in the matter of Sunday Masses being allegedly celebrated in the House of Prayer in direct contravention of my express instructions in the matter. I found myself furthermore obliged to note in the same letter her tendency, persistent throughout my dealings with her, to misunderstand and misinterpret legitimate directives and to consequently misinform her associates and supporters. I am unsure as to whether this tendency resulted from genuine confusion or not bit I am quite certain of the clarity with which the directives in question were stated.
My letter also contained a request for detailed accounts concerning any monies which might have been willed or otherwise donated for “pious causes” of whatever kind since the House of Prayer had been opened. This is an area which comes under the jurisdiction of any diocesan bishop but I had not addressed it previously, preferring to wait for the establishment of the Private Association and, with that, a more structured mode of supervision. It remains a legitimate matter of interest for my office and will be pursued in spite of the decision to close the House of Prayer.I regret very much that Mrs. Gallagher believes herself to have been put under undue pressure by what I considered, and still consider, to have been sensible and fair measures adopted for the good of all. In this context I repeat my already stated doubts as to the wisdom and quality generally of the advice she has been receiving. Whatever the merits of her remarkable claims, and time may eventually clarify this, I had hopes that her work might have been amenable to integration into the life of this diocese. That it has not proved so amenable can only be a cause for regret, since I believe that good spiritual works of every kind are desperately needed today. I recognise that many people benefited spiritually from the House of Prayer, however, and I urge them not to be in any way discouraged but rather to hold on to and build on the good they have received.
I wish Mrs. Gallagher well and will pray that she finds happiness and peace.Signed:_______________
+Michael Neary
Archbishop of Tuam.Date: 3rd July, 1998.
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Archdiocese of Tuam
Re: Work of Mrs Christina Gallagher at the ‘House of Prayer” at Achill
Statement of Archbishop Neary, February 29th, 2008The Tuam Diocesan Office has recently received a considerable number of media enquiries regarding this matter. In 1996 I established a diocesan commission of enquiry to investigate certain claims regarding and emanating from this work. In 1997, acting on foot of a report from the commission, I issued a lengthy public statement to the effect, in essence, that no evidence of supernatural phenomena had been observed but that the persons involved gave every evidence of good faith. Arising from that, I proposed a basic canonical structure that would gradually integrate the work of the House into the life of Achill Parish and the Archdiocese. While this was then attempted by the Archdiocese, I became increasingly perturbed by an apparent absence of enthusiasm on the parts of Mrs Gallagher and her associates. The relationship deteriorated to the extent that Mrs. Gallagher, in July, 1998, closed the ‘House of Prayer’ at Achill, expressing to the media at the time a sense of having been harshly treated by the Archdiocese. In order to clarify the issue for the faithful I issued another statement, regretting the development and expressing grave misgivings as to the wisdom with which Mrs Gallagher had been advised and had acted in the matter.
Diocesan efforts to integrate this work ended in July, 1998 when it was closed by Mrs. Gallagher. Celebration of the sacraments and reservation of the Blessed Sacrament at the ‘House of Prayer’ are not permitted. Any work carried on since then has been entirely of a private nature and has no Church approval whatever. Neither, for reasons given above, does such work enjoy the confidence of the Diocesan authorities. Nothing has been brought to my attention to indicate that I should change from this position in the future. Over the years since then, the Tuam Diocesan Office has clearly and consistently replied to enquiries in respect of this work, which Mrs. Gallagher recommenced.
I respect the faith and devotion of many people who have been impressed by this work in the past, some of whom have expressed their sadness at my stance. Finally, I wish toremind all Church members that they should not hesitate to enquire, as a matter of course, at local diocesan offices regarding the standing of any work describing itself as Catholic, should they be in doubt.
In summary the ‘House of Prayer’ has no Church approval and the work does not enjoy the confidence of the diocesan authorities.
Copies of my public statements are available on tuamarchdiocese.org.
Signed _______________
+ MIchael Neary
Archbishop of Tuam
29th of February, 2008
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Dialogue Ireland 
Brenda,
we can take it you are going to organise an open press conference, CG is going submit to her local bishop and take JG to court for his book, The Immaculate Deception?
No?
No, I didn’t think so either.
Who’s afraid of the truth now?
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I think it is a sheebeen called the wonky priest.
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And they are pretending they have a licence
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Thanks for that clarification. In secular terms they are a public house with everyone pissed or under influence operating without a licence. They are serving drink in a private house which is illegal.
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I copied and pasted directly from the frequently asked questions page on christinagallager.org that the house of prayer supporter left a link to in one of the comments which was moved to the other section.
It’s difficult for me to create links with my phone.
Also on the right hand side of christinagallager.org frequently asked questions pop up. It states that the house of prayer is Catholic.
The Archbishop of Tuam concluded that the house of prayer has no approval whatever from the Catholic Church and the work that goes on there is entirely of a private nature and does not enjoy the confidence of the diocesan authorities.
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The more the Trolls wriggle, the more they reveal about themselves.
I’ll say it again, when they come here crying, it’s a cry for help.
Their heads are so stuffed with woo woo, they are completely confused as to what to believe and who, unable to see any contradictions, holes etc. There is simply so much BS in their heads to keep them busy and to remember, they are readily controlled.
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Not well as you are looking for proxy police in:
State: Georgia – City Location: Smarr
Easy was it? So Una was correct in showing your web site is at variance with the truth. Una they have conceded.
Submitted on 2014/11/28 at 11:37 am
You have a slight problem in that they used the same IP to advertise themselves as HofP yesterday. You guys need to coordinate your messing better. Yes it was put up by a HofP supporter, not member. Remember Maria’s mother is not a member!!!
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Easy to see that “House of Prayer Status is Open and Unproven” is referring to the ‘beasty girl’ post. Hey, how did you get on with the Gardai?
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The troll uncovered. I take it Dialogue have reason to comment that the video is connected to the H of P in the sense that you subscribe to it and use it?
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Una the HofP person House of Prayer status Open and Unproven is claiming that the quote you left from their web site is not actually on their web site. Could you give the link to it and the total quote in context. This is the first actual comment we got from our proxy commenter that actually addresses the topic in discussion
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dialogue ireland, the above is certainly not posted by me, unlikely to be posted by anyone supporting the HoP. Most likely posted by someone trying to discredit those who support the HoP and who are free as Catholics to follow this ministry and it is left up there by you who are also deeply involved in trying to discredit the HoP.
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– Archbishop Neary’s statement 3-7-1998.
‘Archbishop Neary did ask Christina to integrate the work of the House of Prayer using the words, to ‘bring it under the umbrella of the archdiocese’. Christina’s only desire was what Our Lady requested namely, that priests and people be able to unite in prayer in the House. That, however, was not how it was going to be under the archbishop’s proposal. His suggestion was that the House of Prayer be closed to the public; that the people would not be able to go there and pray- they would be able to go only to the local church; there would be a named private few permitted in the House of Prayer and Mass permitted on occasion there for them only.’
– christinagallagher.org website.
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RFID Chip Will Drag You To Hell! Beasty girl is our friend from the HofP. See the off the wall material which they try to spam our site
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7th-time-deleted
Just the usual bleatings without any comment on the thread
DI Moderation
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Just for the record you are a troll and part of the Department of Defence with your proxy in the states. You have no reason to not have a normal IP in Ireland. You don’t because you are no more an ordinary member than the man in the moon. We will leave this comment for the moment, but until you stop whining and actually make comments on the post we will continue to delete. You are crying about your feelings and outrage at being challenged. Get a life and actually engage with actual content, stop emoting
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There is a lot of religious intolerance on this blog. I am not the HoP just a person living my life out in society but reactions here to my contributions are shocking and just go to show that ‘dialogue ireland’ is a place not interested balanced discussion, only in thrusting their point of view. You, have all behaved outrageously aggressively towards me and insulting me because I go to the House of Prayer and I have decided to come on here to defended something I believe in amid such hatred.
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House of Prayer remains ‘Open and Unproven”s behaviour is showing the signs of being programmed to recruit for Christina Gallagher. How else can one explain his persistence at repeating the same information. I cannot see how goading Dialogue Ireland is helping his mission “impossible”.
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You are completely correct Una and that is why I have deleted the comment of the HofP now 6th time. This is for the obvious reason that they have not actually addressed the posts on our site.
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You are a trier. “When you try you lie” is one of Tony Quinn’s cultic truths.
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christinagallager.org website continues to misinform the public of Archbishop Neary’s clear directives to Christina Gallagher regarding the house of prayer. Archbishop Neary stated this in his 1998 statement on the house of prayer that Christina Gallagher had persistently throughout his dealings with her misunderstood and misinterpreted his legitimate directives and consequentially misinformed her associates and followers.
This continues to be the case. The website states that Archbishop Neary forced the closure of the house of prayer. Archbishop Neary stated that he didn’t ask for the house of prayer to be closed.
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Actually it is a sand sauce with plenty of non recognition by Mensa
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Truth is, the Hoppers don’t actually believe Gutsy either.
DI, would you pass the mint sauce to go with this ostrich steak?
Our Troll doesn’t know, or seem to care that the Hoppers, their website or anything Gutsy says, has zero credibility with anybody.
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For those who really do want to know ……. moved NOT Removed to https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/commenting-policy/#comment-107158 for clear sock puppetry.
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That is a rant ……….. moved NOT Removed to https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/commenting-policy/#comment-107158 for clear sock puppetry.
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My words have been deleted because…… moved NOT Removed to https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/commenting-policy/#comment-107158 for clear sock puppetry.
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Greystones: You say
“i do really think its time people who are involved with House of Prayer should take defamation case against all people concerned jim gallagher sunday world tv3 mike garde irish catholic”
No-one is stopping you or your buddies from doing it, however, you know how catastrophic it would be for Gallagher. She could find herself having to ‘share’ how she cons millions from vulnerable people. Like all cult leaders she wants to avoid the law courts like the plague. No doubt she would have an attack of ‘holiness’ and use it to explain her very convenient selective memory loss when questioned about her mansions.
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My words have been deleted by dialogue ireland moved NOT Removed to https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/commenting-policy/#comment-107158 for clear sock puppetry.
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Removing my comments is proof that this is not a dialogue moved NOT Removed to https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/commenting-policy/#comment-107158 for clear sock puppetry.
You have a slight problem in that you are using a proxy f4rom St Louis Missouri. If you notify our server Go Daddy you will have to identify your real IP. Go for it!! You are protesting too much , we arenot going to let you get away with murder on this blog. Either answer the points made or just buzz off.
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Just to clarify:…moved to https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/commenting-policy/#comment-107158
Note not removed just moved.
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‘Archbishop Neary closed it to the public and made it inoperable as the Blessed Virgin had desired.’
Proof, in your own words, CG and the hop are outside of the CC, with you placing CG above CC in authority, and hence the Pope.
The hop is a private limited company set up by and for CG, is a private matter, set up to enrich CG herself, and has nothing to do with the CC, bar a lying disobedient not fit for purpose unduly influenced so called priest.
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You just don’t get it…..moved to https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/commenting-policy/#comment-107158
for clear sock puppetry.
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House of Prayer remains Open and Unproven you are clearly off the wall just read this:
I wish to state clearly and emphatically that at no time have I ever instructed Mrs. Gallagher, either verbally or in writing, to take this step. On the contrary, I have repeatedly stated, both verbally and in writing, that it was not my intention to close the House of Prayer. This decision had been made by Mrs. Gallagher and if she has taken advice on the matter it was not requested of me or of my office.
I have had occasion in the past to question, both privately and in conversation and correspondence with Mrs. Gallagher, whether she had indeed been well advised at various stages in her dealings with the Archdiocese. I repeatedly offered the services of a canon lawyer, in order to make absolutely certain that justice would be served, but this offer was not availed of. I remain unconvinced that she has ever, in this matter, had the benefit of advice which might be called sound in every relevant sense.
Within a fortnight after the opening he found himself obliged to write to Mrs. Gallagher in protest against persistent deviation on the part of the House of Prayer from that original simple vision.
We can also conclude, St CG and the VM in her head aren’t taking the messages seriously.
No interviews, collective amnesia, no Kathleen O’Sullivan, no submitting to the local bishop, no recording equipment allowed at the hop, no Thurles Tapes, no court act against JG’s book, The Immaculate Deception,
numbers way down since proof of CG’s great love of wealth and aversion to tents, no credibility, no John Rooney and no belief by anybody sane that McG was not involved in conning money from the elderly, as proven by cheques to him.
And no proof CG knew in advance of the 2004 tsunami, or anything else for that matter.
Troll, you are a glutton for BS.
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Angie,
in fairness, they have a grand total of 1,500 ‘likes’ on Facebook and are sweeping the world.
I did a little maths, 1,500 is like, 0.00002% of the world’s population!
So we can only conclude CG is too busy accumulating personal wealth, the real reason for her scam.
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
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“What a beautiful seal of approval and sign to the Church” that does not want them. You believe Gallagher’s lies and you lie in turn.
It is a documented fact that Gallagher closed the H of P and when she knew there would be no further interference from the church she influenced people to believe that ‘Our Lady’ was running the show and she the ‘guiding light’, using all of the tricks of the ‘religious’ trade to frighten into submission and fleece them. It is impossible to accept that the catholic church don’t know her methods of persuasion nor can they claim ignorance to knowing the results of it.
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‘we, the people, felt it necessary to put in place a protection for her. We did this freely and knowingly and we legally declared so in writing. This house acquired by her in Malahide’
http://www.christinagallagher.org/en/peoples_response_stalker.htm
‘Our Lady said to get money together to get her a, (house)…and Our Lady did guide her to the house in Malahide and the people did put the money together for her to buy the house in England.’
Pat Coleman.
Which is it?
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It is no such thing! The HoP was something requested by the Blessed Virgin. The then Archbishop, Joseph Cassidy respecting Her wishes set it up as She desired. Archbishop Neary closed it to the public and made it inoperable as the Blessed Virgin had desired. The people who paid for it demanded that it be open as a private house and so it is today, a private house, which God has upheld with conversion after conversion, healing upon healing, major healing after major healing. What a beautiful seal of approval and sign to the Church. Thanks be to God.
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You have more faith in CG than the authority of the Pope and CC.
The hop is private limited company, has no church approval and, thanks to JG, the dog on the street knows, is led by publicly known liars, multimillionaire CG and her so called spiritual director McG.
They’re not doing a very good job.
Just ask the Archbishop of Tuam.
Have you ever met him?
Are you that hop Troll who went on a big fat rant saying he wasn’t spiritual?
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What rubbish, it is widely known that the reason these will never be investigated is because she would not cooperate with the Catholic Church.
Tuam Archdiocese notes that Christina Gallagher constantly and purposefully refused to cooperate with the attempts of the Archdiocese of Tuam to integrate the ‘house of prayer’ into the Catholic Church. The Special Committee of Inquiry found no evidence of supernatural phenomena when investigating the alleged visions of Christina Gallagher. Archbishop Neary noted Christina Gallagher’s tendency, persistent throughout his dealings with her, to misunderstand and misinterpret legitimate directives and to consequently misinform her supporters and followers.
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The deceit is in this attack, not in CG nor the HoP. The Church takes its time over these things and I have confidence in the Church and I have patience. In the meantime I can but pray for you.
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And what about all her other lies?
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We are all free to accept or reject the Messages given through CG.
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The hop is a private company limited, and is a private matter, and no CC approval whatsoever.
No messages have been passed on to the local bishop, and never will.
If this Big Chastisement is so near, why CG’s complete lack of urgency?
Because it’s a big fat porkpie.
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You may wish to know that the Catholic Church too believes in the impending purification and chastisement.
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What I don’t understand is, if these true believers believe in CG and her BS fictional Chastisement messages and threats, why does she need solicitors to get justice?
After all, we know the Chastisement is very very very very near, as she has being saying the same thing for 21 years.
Where does the CC say anything about her messages of Chastisement? Why has she not submitted her messages of Chastisement to her local bishop?
Is the Big Chastisement a big secret in the big CC?
The answer is, a complete no brainer:
CG and the hop are not Catholic, and have no CC approval, and Cardinal Brady fell asleep at the wheel due to the weight of his own importance.
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Excellent point Maria, the CC has no moral authority. It needs to get it own house in order first, McG case in point. He is not fit for purpose. The evidence is there, cheques in his name, many many witnesses, letters of complaint, broken families, threats of destruction & damnation, & heresy.
A blatant hop website, laden with claims, anecdotes, hysteria & straight up pokies, none of which has anything to do with the CC, & never ever will.
It is appalling & disgusting, & anyone who comes here crying, is a cry for help, I have said this before.
CG has continued on her merry trot but the good news thanks to JG is that she will never ever be accepted in society & far from ever going to court, will continue to duck & dive, hide, sidestep, run, change her name, evade, etc, etc, all while continuing to live in an isolation bubble with a packet of fanatics, all done in miraculous wealth, with not a tent in sight.
And here comes the paid Troll with the la la la I can’t hear you button.
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It defies belief how Papal Nuncio, Archbishop Neary, Cardinal Brady and all, keep distancing themselves from the House of Prayer situation. They wont move past non-recognition of this group, they wont engage with the victims and their families or to truly understand the nature of this abuse and take action against it, they have proven to be aloof in all contact with them and in their public responses about the House of Prayer. Its amazing that Pope Francis can describe Europe’s leaders in the European Parliament as aloof and haggard (in his statement today) when it is his representatives in Ireland that are aloof and haggard in dealing with this most serious of issues in Irish Catholicism. The Pope warns that as a result ‘human rights and dignity are under threat’ (also happening with the HoP), ‘men and women being reduced to mere cogs in a machine that treats them as items of consumption to be exploited’ (also applicable to the HoP followers). The public have lost confidence in Irish Catholic church over their handling of the HoP, enough messing around, its time to take some action against the HoP.
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Stop the violin playing and seeking sympathy.
That was a position taken in 1996 and spelt out in 97. There was a change in ’98 read below:
First a quote from his letter of ’98
Within a fortnight after the opening he found himself obliged to write to Mrs. Gallagher in protest against persistent deviation on the part of the House of Prayer from that original simple vision. This tendency to stray from the terms of which the Archbishop had permitted the House of Prayer to function was to continue. Instead of a quiet place of retreat a de facto shrine was coming into being, attracting large crowds of visitors weekly. In a letter to Mrs. Gallagher of 15th September, 1994, Dr. Cassidy criticised these developments again and refused permission, as requested by Mrs. Gallagher, for an extension of the actual premises.
And in case there was any confusion this is what he wrote in 2008 six years ago:
Archdiocese of Tuam
Re: Work of Mrs Christina Gallagher at the ‘House of Prayer” at Achill
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And yet you do with all your insults! You have no evidence angie whatsoever or you would have produced it and I am not in a ‘hole’. I am out in the open practicing my Catholic faith in my home which is a Catholic place and you cannot accept that I am Catholic AND I support and go to the HoP, or that the Archbishop stated the matter of the HoP remains “Open and Unproven” so allowing me and all Catholics to continue to support and go to the HoP.
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Faced with the indisputable evidence contrary to what you believe, you cite hatred to get out of a deep hole. I don’t know you so why should I hate you?
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dialogue ireland, angie, una, mog,
your hatred of me, just because I support the HoP, is palpable even though you do not know me and have never met me. I profoundly disagree with all your ridiculous and misleading statements on this subject. Thankfully you do not have the authority to stand in judgement over me or the HoP. What you like to omit is that the Archbishop stated clearly that the HoP remains ‘Open and Unproven’ which means that any Catholic has the right to go to the House of Prayer and tell other people about it and support it and promote it and ask others to support it if you wish.
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Your lack of understanding of Catholicism is astounding, and this as one who is not a Catholic but studied Catholicism for eight years.
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No you are a former Catholic and you show it by your attitude to legitimate authority. You are part of a sectarian, separatist organisation and pretend to be loyal so as to lure unsuspecting Catholics into your web.
It is of no relevance as to whether you have confidence in the Archbishop. The issue of relevance here is does he have confidence in the HofP. The answer is a clear NO! I respect the authority of the Archbishop, my disagreement is not in what he has done till now, but in what he has not done which is allowing this scam to proceed.He has no interest in visiting a place which refuses to accept the terms of his involvement, namely submission.
That is where you are patently in denial. He explicitly said you do not have approval. That is the whole point. You are rebels for the cause of unbridled wealth for a few.
There are but this is not about ministries, but about submission to the ordinary. No ministry can be born of disobedience. In fact the sign of a genuine visionary is humility and submission.
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Freely supporting the House of Prayer
“Did CG say the twin towers would be destroyed? Yes and Judge Dan Lynch was there to witness her saying it and gave public testimony that she had said it on the exact same day, two years earlier.”
And since then it has been published that she was not referring to the twin towers. They were not visible from where they were standing. In fact, the actual twin tower buildings were not mentioned at all.
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I agree with Dialogues analysis of the situation. From what I have read about Pope Francis, he seems to be distancing himself and encouraging the clergy to distance themselves by refraining from highlighting abuse in the church. The uncomfortable truth is, they kept silent and denied, in fact, some of them aided and abetted, child abuse and only responded when public opinion demanded action. Now they distance themselves from elderly abuse by saying they have nothing to do with the H of P. As long as catholic priests are involved the church cannot extricate themselves from the problem. I am even more convinced now they are in avoidance due to fear of a backlash that would lead to uncovering something far worse.
“Pride of the House of Prayer”
the writing is on the wall and you cannot use the old argument and have resorted to another.
“FrMG is spiritual director of CG not the HoP. The HoP does not have church disapproval.”
Are we to take it you now understand that Gallagher and the House of Prayer is no longer part of the Catholic Church?
It is too late in the day to have us believe that McGinnity’s only involvement is as spiritual director to Gallagher. There is factual evidence of financial gain for him (cheques made out in his name) and and his influence and personality are embedded in how she presents so called ‘heavenly predictions’. By association he aids and abets the syphoning of cash given by followers that has led to Gallagher living in mansions. Due to ‘sickness’ how many foreign holiday have her followers paid for? The only reason I can think you are ok with this is because you look forward to jumping on a well established greed driven bandwagon.
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‘And not only that, she said God has also gifted her his wisdom, giving her superior insight & knowing, which makes her a better judge & authority than the Pope.’- by Mother of God at 4:29 pm.
Followers of Christina Gallagher do believe this.
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Love to defend Our Lady’s House of Prayer,
Which people?
The unduly influenced ones with Collective Amnesia like yourself?
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‘Una, CG has not put herself superior than the Pope, what an effort at deception! and then to comment on it a if it were truth. Shameful.’
Yes she does, here is one of many many outrageous quotes from this gluttonous charlatan :
”I had one experience where my body did go up into the air a number of feet…’
Christina Gallagher
Eamon Darcy described her as a saint, and that the whole country should go down on their knees to her. He said this after spending 21 years attending the hop.
Bring on your fictional day in court.
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MoG, your insults serve only to define you. Of course it was never said that anywhere would be destroyed if money was not handed over. None of that rubbish you spout is true, as the people made testimony to long ago.
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Love the House of Prayer,
Simple simple question:
Did CG say that Texas would be destroyed if money was not handed over?
You won’t answer because it is you who is making a mockery of the truth.
You won’t respond as you are suffering from Collective Amnesia.
Pray for continued Collective Amnesia.
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CG answers to no one. She has not submitted to her local bishop.
But in fairness, with all her addresses, she’s most likely confused as to which one it will be.
Maybe the imaginary VM in her head will guide her.
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Una, CG has not put herself superior than the Pope, what an effort at deception! and then to comment on it a if it were truth. Shameful.
MoG, to use this name to put comments on here is insulting to the Blessed Virgin and I can only pray for you and certainly not respond to your mockery.
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‘Christina Gallagher is a superior authority than the Pope. ‘
No wonder the archdiocese of Tuam has no confidence in the work of the house of prayer. People who go there are indoctrinated to this level.
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Freely supporting the House of Prayer,
where in CG’S book does she say, specifically, in detail, the twin towers where going to be destroyed?
It was a big event, any references at all at all?
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JG never met her because she just keeps running away, he was legally required to give her an opportunity.
She is running to this day, and will run and hide for the rest of her greedy ugly life.
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Freely supporting the House of Prayer,
simple question.
Did CG say Texas would be destroyed if money was not handed over?
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The very title of that book is an insult to the Blessed Virgin. One is only left to pray for such a person because it clearly speaks for itself. Jim Gallagher author of this book has by his own admission never even met CG and yet has managed to write a book about her. Some going.
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Please prove in her book where CG knew in advance, in detail, that she knew of the 2004 tsunami?
Thanking you in advance.
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As far as My little one’s unduly influenced ones are concerned, it is the unbeliever Archbishop who doesn’t understand, is allowing himself to be misguided & needs to listen to what is being said by God to ‘My dear daughter’ as she is the one with the God-phone, & therefore acts as the go between, between man & God, not the blinded cringeworthy Archbishop.
And not only that, she said God has also gifted her his wisdom, giving her superior insight & knowing, which makes her a better judge & authority than the Pope.
She has all her bases covered.
So no need for any awkward questions, thanks.
‘The HoP does not have church disapproval.Lack of knowledge of the Catholic faith is at the root of the misleading and nasty ramblings on this site coupled with a generous splash of deliberate deception.’
What qualifications do you have?
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Did CG say the twin towers would be destroyed? Yes and Judge Dan Lynch was there to witness her saying it and gave public testimony that she had said it on the exact same day, two years earlier.
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For the truth, read Jim Gallagher’s book, The Immaculate Deception.
CG will never ever bring JG to court for writing this book. Thanks to JG, CG will never again be accepted in normal society & will run and hide for the rest of her greedy ugly life.
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Happy to support the House of Prayer,
simple question.
Did CG say Texas would be destroyed?
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This comment and Name changed to remove abuse and allow fair comment.
i do really think its time people who are involved with House of Prayer should take defamation case against all people concerned jim gallagher sunday world tv3 mike garde irish catholic its gone beyond a joke now and time for action take the incitement to hatred case against them all and see what they can drum up when whole country has it under scrutiny and find its all lies these guys are insinuating its about time everyone gets to realise written in constitution is fundamental right to practise your religion and society has gone off to wrong track with House of Prayer .If it was me i would take them to the cleaners in court and even go to european court of human rights .Incitement to hatred is prison offence in USA and UK and very soon in Ireland also .Send these guys to jail and they will be reluctant to stalk Christina Gallagher at 4am in morning at an airport in Dublin who mind you have a lot to be desired when it comes to airport security .If someone came near me taking photos in an airport then airport security should have thrown them out of Dublin Airport and barred them for life ! scumbags dirtbags and really really just crowd of very strange stalkers who need to be put back in their box so ball is in your court lads but
Note the conditioning from the HofP in regard to this person known to DI. He really believes I am involved with the Masons and has got this strange view of life directly from CG
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That’s like saying my Catholic home is not Catholic and you would be wrong in saying that. Neither does the Archbishop enjoy the confidence of my home, although he is welcome to come here anytime as he is welcome in the House of Prayer. The House of Prayer does not have church disapproval and is not in disagreement with the Archbishop. There are many ministries within the Church.
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The Archbishop of Tuam states that Christina Gallagher refused to co – operate with diocesan efforts to integrate the house of prayer into the archdiocese.
The house of prayer is not a Catholic place.
The work that is carried out there does not enjoy the confidence of the diocesan authorities.
The Archdiocese of Tuam is the authority responsible for all Catholic Church activities in its territory. Christina Gallagher refused to submit to its authority.
People who describe themselves as Catholic need to accept the Archbishop’s position on the house of prayer.
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Una, talk about twisting yourself up in your own lies!
The HoP is a place where all people are invited to come to pray Catholic prayers such as the Rosary, Divine Mercy Chaplet, Chaplet of the Holy Souls, Stations of the Cross… etc… This is allowed in the Catholic faith – where two or three are gathered in My Name, there am I in their midst. People come, pray, then perhaps have a cup of tea and a bite to eat and then leave. The messages of Our Lady are there for all to read. The mission of CG is exactly that and anyone seeking to do their own thing is doing exactly that, their own thing.
FrMG is spiritual director of CG not the HoP. The HoP does not have church disapproval. Lack of knowledge of the Catholic faith is at the root of the misleading and nasty ramblings on this site coupled with a generous splash of deliberate deception.
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The Archbishop of Tuam states that the house of prayer has no Church approval whatever and the work that goes on there is entirely of a private nature and does not enjoy the confidence of the diocesan authorities.
Fr Gerard McGinnity is deeply involved in the work of the house of prayer.
His involvement in the house of prayer is entirely of a private nature and has no Church approval whatever.
The work carried on at the house of prayer by Fr Gerard McGinnity does not enjoy the confidence of the diocesan authorities.
It is not the work of the Catholic Church.
Fr Gerard McGinnity is supporting and promoting a religious movement which have chosen to not submit to the authority of the Catholic Church.
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What happened to notion of the shepherd looking out for his flock you don’t let them become prey to wolves wearing Catholic sheep’s clothing as is the evident case with the House of Prey.
Also you don’t shift from your clear canonical and pastoral duty in a
Pontius Pilate way trying to wash your hands of the matter by wanting the State take care of this fraud when it is inextricably linked to the Catholic Church.
Shame on all those Prelates dressed up like Popinjays,
they fool nobody except the gullible victims.
They have no remaining credible moral authority if that is the case.
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