Commentary on the Public Statement of the Archbishop of Tuam, Most Rev. Dr. Michael Neary, with regard to the claims and works of Mrs. Christina Gallagher and the ‘House of Prayer’ at Achill, Co. Mayo, 16th December, 1997.

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Public Statement of the Archbishop of Tuam, Most Rev. Dr. Michael Neary, with regard to the claims and works of Mrs. Christina Gallagher and the ‘House of Prayer’ at Achill, Co. Mayo.

In June of 1996 I constituted a Special Committee of Enquiry for the purpose of carrying out an investigation into the claims and work of Mrs. Christina Gallagher, resident at the ‘House of Prayer, Achill Sound, Achill, Co. Mayo in this archdiocese.  The Committee, composed of two priests and a religious sister, has recently submitted its report.  In the light of this report, and after due reflection and consultation, I wish to make the observations and announce the provisions listed below.

 

First we note that the archbishop did in fact set up an Enquiry to evaluate the HofP in June 1996. We are continuously told by people representing the HofP that the  archbishop is an abuser because he did not set up an enquiry! For the moment let us be clear that he did set up such a committee.

Observations

I have had submitted to me no evidence which would give cause for questioning the integrity, good will, sincerity of spiritual devotion or orthodoxy of faith either of Mrs. Christina Gallagher or of her collaborators in the work termed ‘The House of Prayer’ at Achill.

Nearly 20 years ago the commission formed the opinion that that the representatives of the HofP were in fact genuine and they accepted their testimony in good faith.

 

Further to the above, it appears that there is a great deal in the same work which is wholesome and good and which has been a force for good in the faith, prayer and lives of many people who have, in whatever manner, been associated or otherwise in contact with it.

 

The next paragraph continues in the same vein and having said they were a force for good the conclusion though is that this does not of itself provide a basis for accepting what was happening was of a supernatural nature.

While recognising the difficulty involved in treating such matters, I find myself obliged to state that no evidence has been presented which might prove beyond reasonable doubt the occurrence of supernatural phenomena of whatever kind in this situation other than that of faith.

Here the committee are extremely clear in their conclusion:

“No evidence has been presented which might prove beyond reasonable doubt the occurrence of supernatural phenomena.”

Nothing could be clearer and the Archbishop states this clearly and succinctly.

 

Mrs. Gallagher and her associates retain, of course, the right to believe and state their belief that such have indeed occurred and continue to occur.

He does not impose his evaluation on them and as Catholics the HofP has the right to private revelation and he recognises this. They have a right to their views but if they wish to be recongnised they must submit to the safe guards he suggests.

The question, as far as competent ecclesiastical authority is concerned, remains open and unproven.

Clearly the bishop as the determiner of doctrine and practice in his diocese has spoken clearly and openly. He now tries to find a way to proceed which is both logical and allows for the HofP to move with him to discern whether this group is from God or not.

 

My chief concern at this point is that the work termed ‘The House of Prayer’ be integrated into the life of Achill parish, of this Archdiocese and of the Church in general in a more stable and ordered manner than has heretofore been the case.

In 1996/7 the HofP was in his Diocese but in the parish of Achill. He wants to integrate them into the local church. He felt they were nearly like an independent ‘Church’ doing their own thing.

I am also concerned that it should be helped to adhere more closely to the original understanding, which obtained with both my predecessor, Archbishop Cassidy, and Mrs. Gallagher, of what it would in fact be and strive to achieve.  To these ends I am to make certain provisions, summarised below, in its regard.

 

The Archbishop feels that Christina Gallagher has shifted from the original vision for the House and is in fact deviating from what was agreed with Archbishop Cassidy.

Provisions

By Agreement with Mrs. Christina Gallagher and her associates, the work termed ‘The House of Prayer,’ located in premises of the same name at Achill Sound, Achill, Co. Mayo, is to take the form of a Private  Association of the Christian Faithful.  Such associations consist of persons who freely choose to collaborate in a particular kind of apostolate or in pursuit generally of some end related to the Church’s mission in the world. They exist and operate in conformity with canon law which expressly envisions and provides for them.

 

He could not be clearer as to how they could proceed to be accepted and have their vision checked and discerned.

This new Private Association will be erected in a lawful manner and will, in continuing conformity with canon law, draw up governing statutes and submit them to me as diocesan bishop for approval.

Note the clear assistance being offered. They have been given an open door to proceed.

The same statutes will include, as in canonically required, a clear and unambiguous statement of the ends which the Association intends to pursue and the means to be employed towards these ends.

Here there is a request for them to clarify their charitable objectives and to focus on what means they are going to use to achieve them.

Chief among the statutory ends, in the case of the ‘House of Prayer’ at Achill, will be the adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, the recitation of the Rosary and the provision and proper maintenance of a place of spiritual retreat for priests.

Note the first aim, the adoration of the Blessed Sacrament is now in 2014 missing, but the this, along with the recitation of the Rosary and the provision and proper maintenance of a place of spiritual retreat for priests were the original reasons Archbishop Cassidy gave permission for HofP to get his blessing. The objectives are clearly understood by the current Archbishop.

These ends are those originally agreed upon by my predecessor, Archbishop Cassidy, and Mrs. Gallagher and I observe that the clarity of this agreement may have become somewhat obscured during the intervening years.

Here again the Archbishop of Tuam notices a shift away from the permission which was sought. The beginnings of the refusal to actually do what was asked for is becoming evident, but not yet with a red flag.

As is required by canon law, the new Association will be subject to my authority as diocesan bishop in all matters concerning the administration and disposition of funds either donated or left in bequests to it for pious causes.  Furthermore, although such associations are normally free to administer their other goods and property as they see fit, subject to their statutes, it remains my duty to ensure that all such goods and property owned by such an association in my diocese are used for the statutory ends of the Association.  In order to ensure that everyone involved is allowed to discharge their proper duties in these matters the Association will be required to consult regularly with diocesan authorities and to submit accounts.

Note here:

1. “The new Association will be subject to my authority as diocesan bishop in all matters concerning the administration and disposition of funds either donated or left in bequests to it for pious causes.”

There is a clear hierarchical structure subject to canon law. The bishop decides the Association submits. A clear line of authority.

2. “Furthermore, although such associations are normally free to administer their other goods and property as they see fit, subject to their statutes, it remains my duty to ensure that all such goods and property owned by such an association in my diocese are used for the statutory ends of the Association.”

3. “In order to ensure that everyone involved is allowed to discharge their proper duties in these matters the Association will be required to consult regularly with diocesan authorities and to submit accounts.”

They have to show that they are exercising their stewardship and obviously keep in touch with the bishop and for obvious reasons present accounts.

 

Notice once properly constituted and accountable they have great freedom to actually administer their charity.The chapel which is located on the premises occupied by the ‘House of Prayer’ at Achill Sound is to be formally designated and established as a Private Chapel in the sense of this term as it is understood in canon law.

Everything is so clear and following its establishment all the benefits of the Catholic faith result, “they have great freedom to actually administer their charity.”

 

As such, it may only be used for the celebration of Mass and other sacred celebrations subject to my permission and supervision in my capacity as diocesan bishop.

The bishop is generous in his offer and again this is the normal practice. Let see what the conditions are?

The Parish Priest of Achill will, ex officio, be Chaplain and the curate in Achill Sound will, by virtue of his appointment, be Assistant Chaplain.  These two priests along will have faculties to preach and hear confessions in this chapel.

He clearly defines the conditions for his permission being granted in the HofP for the smooth operation of the charity.

Furthermore, no priest, other than these two, may celebrate the Mass in the Chapel without permission from me.

Note he gives a clear signal that only these two priests may celebrate Mass at the Chapel. Note he does not say that other priests can’t say Mass there, but it is conditional on the bishop being the reference point. Set up your Association work with my local priests, show you are part of the local church and then we can allow other priests to come in.

Should the Association as such require a spiritual advisor, as distinct from the chaplain and assistant chaplain whose duties do not necessarily include such a service, its members are perfectly entitled by canon law to choose any priest from among those legitimately exercising ministry in the archdiocese, subject to my confirming such an appointment.

Here we begin to see how a problem is going to develop in regard to Fr. Gerard McGinnity. First he is from another diocese, that of Armagh. Normally a spiritual adviser should be located as close to the the place where spiritual direction is required.  The Archbishop of Tuam could not be clearer, “Its members are perfectly entitled by canon law to choose any priest from among those legitimately exercising ministry in the archdiocese, subject to my confirming such an appointment.”

Note why Fr. Gerard McGinnity is not suitable:

1. He has duties as a Parish Priest in Knockbridge, Co Louth. That means his traveling there really undermines his pastoral presence in his own parish. He is in fact preaching and praying in Achill and then traveling excessive distances to get back to his flock. By definition he is neglecting them, by his presence in both places. Unlike Jesus Christ who is everywhere by the Holy Spirit Fr. Gerard McGinnity can’t bilocate. Also as he is doing so many roles he can hardly spend time in spiritual direction when he is so occupied when there. Also irony of irony there is no Mass at the House!

2, Christina could buy a small place near the Priest, but she is not even at Achill with her extensive portfolio of Houses to attend to. We will address these issues later as they do not feature as yet in 1997. Furthermore,  Cardinal Brady by his enabling and refusal to act in regard to the trespassing of Gerard McGinnity in Tuam undermines the position and discipline set out by The Archbishop of Tuam. His inaction is also bringing the Catholic Church into disrepute.

The Association, finally, will have as its headquarters the premises presently occupied by the ‘House of Prayer’ at Achill Sound.  The work of the Association will be carried on at this location and at no other within the territory of the Archdiocese.  The same will be noted and confirmed in the statutes of the Association and will be strictly adhered to.

Again one notes the problem when Visionaries do not submit. Christina wanted to create an Empire. Rather than call it the House of Prayer it was going to become the Houses of Prey. The Archbishop of Tuam wanted to earth her Association in Achill, unlike someone like Bernadette she would not submit or serve.

I earnestly hope that the work of Mrs. Gallagher and her associates in the ‘House of Prayer’ at Achill will benefit from its new form and standing within this diocese.  While the Church is obliged to exercise the greatest caution in approving such works it cannot ignore the possibilities presented by the dynamism which has characterised this particular one so far.  I believe that it shows genuine potential for growth and for making a valuable contribution to the life of the Church.

The Archbishop of Tuam goes on to recognise the potential of the HofP to enrich the wider Catholic community… but

In this regard I look forward to working closely with the members of the new Association as they integrate their dedicated approach with that of the parish of Achill and of the Archdiocese of Tuam in general.

We will see that this hope was not realised but instead the HofP was to move on to become schismatic, totally rejecting the authority of The Archbishop of Tuam. They brought on board a priest of great intellect who had obtained a doctorate in Patristic studies at TCD on Ambrose of Milan. He had the potential to become a leader in the Church in Ireland. He had been a whistle blower, and as a person  of great integrity who was sacrificed for the sake of the institution. Now he had become very resentful, and had a sense of entitlement to office. In his great distress  he came under the influence of Christina Gallagher. Now his intellectual gifts were sacrificed for the power of being a big fish in a small pond. See how this likely  influence is likely to work.

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Signed: __________________
+Michael Neary
Archbishop of Tuam.

Dated: 16th December, 1997.

49 Responses

  1. thanks

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  2. No relevance other than that you could not be clearer as to your identity and location. Our resident HofP troll thought you were Mike McCrory and I was confused till I checked it out. Please continue to make the relevant comments you are making.

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  3. In reply to your question eventhough I wonder as to its relevance yes tragically a young man died when being pursued by the police and he misjudged a high wall and fell to his death….and yes this happened in Abbeyside Dungarvan…Mick

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  4. Thanks Mick is that address where the young man died last week?

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  5. My name is Mick Power and live in Abbeyside Dungarvan Co. WAterford…I am 37 yrs of age and have no problem in revealing who i am and where I come from….My Aunt Mary was the mother abbess of the cistercian abbey Glencairn until her death just a few years ago…My gran uncle Fr.Michael Power PP was parish priest in Abbeyside and Modeligo until his death in the late fifties…..So there you are…I have no hidden agenda….if you wish to check it out my aunts name and title is Mother..Imelda .Power Rev…Mother of glencairn abbey Co. Waterford..also known to some as St Marys Abbey Co.Waterford….I am interested in your response to my recent blog….Firstly I bear no hate as you tried to imply …This is a story so tragic and sad which involves so many elderly and vulnerable people who love God and the Blessed Mother ……Regarding my relationship with Betty and Michael Morrissey….What nonsence are you implying….This lovely couple spoke to me and told me their story as is recorded in my previous statement and in fact is well recorded in a Prime Time Special a few years ago….which can be seen and witnessed on line….I find it highly insulting that you wish to portray me as a tabloid journalist looking for cheap fodder to titillate anti church people out there….I am not a journalist and I happen to love my faith and my church….Whether you like it or not it was a tabloid newspaper who uncovered and exposed the truth of the Christina Gallagher Empire……When I think of the morrisseys and so many others who gave so freely thinking they were about to fulfill the plan of Our Lady in this secret project of saving so many souls…..And then suddenly back in 2008 they discover that Christina has a massive portfolio of properties in Dublin Newport Ballina and in the UK….How hard was it for this gentle and unassuming couple who placed so much trust in CG and Fr McGinnity to now wonder if their hard earned money was supporting a lavish lifestyle for this person who they regarded as a living saint….As is now well known they pursued her to the High Court and she paid up the 150000euro and also on the same day a further hundred grand to another disaffected follower of the HOP…you refer to somebody that you say was a fundraiser…..Yes Betty referred to a lady by the name of Majella Meade who was one of Christinas right hand people and deeply involved in fund raising for the HOP…..Thankfully she has seen the light and has extricated herself and refuses to make any comment just to say she is glad to make a life for herself away from the HOP….As for the accusations in relation to Fr McGinnity….malice etc…..You could not be more wrong…I believe he is a wonderful spiritual and inspiring priest and hold him with great affection….Just hope he will some day see the light in relation to Christina…..Mick

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  6. Perhaps you might like to review your statement as a picture is better than a thousand words?
    https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/let-us-draw-you-a-picture-of-the-house-of-prayer/

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  7. As I am a native of Dungarvan Co Waterford I came in contact with a wonderful couple called Betty and Michael Morrissey who live in a place called Knockanure in West Waterford…

    Michael could you clarify this comment as it is clear you have no connection to Dungarvan. You have decided to surrender your anonymity so please expalin?
    DI Moderation

    DI was under the mistaken view that Michael McCrory was commenting and that a Hof P troll was trying to out him. In Fact Michael from Dungarvan is totally authentic.Our mistake.

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  8. None of the comments above contain any malice or fixations. The fact is that the HoP have no Church backing and should not be operating under the pretence that it does.

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  9. Michael (Mick)…you are as much a native of Dungarvan as I am from Uggiwawa.
    Sadly again your story is only hearsay. It is the annual hate v the HoP time…and probably because your mind is tortured by what you did in pride and anger, you cannot rest with the 16th July celebrations coming soon.
    Yes your story is a re-fabrication of the original story of lies by the tabloid you chose….you try to make it sound new and you repeat the hearsay.
    Would you ever be honest….just for a moment….and reflect on the fact that Mrs Gallagher did not refund one cent to the party you name. All those things were done by the individual who had appointed herself fundraiser. All the allegations you make about that particular fundraising event were several times refuted by that individual responsible and by many other attendees.
    And your continual malice and ill-judgement against Fr McGinnity is worrying….
    I suppose as time passes your mind becomes more filled with fixations and anger. ….I wonder when YOU will find true peace.

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  10. Una I agree totally with your position…As I am a native of Dungarvan Co Waterford I came in contact with a wonderful couple called Betty and Michael Morrissey who live in a place called Knockanure in West Waterford…..They told me a story that raised the hairs on my neck…As Betty said with full permision to quote her they fell under the spell of CG and donated 150 000 euro all their life savings to the HOP…..This couple who are in their late seventies and are very devout catholics became convinced after attending a meeting in Mullingar that Fr .McGinnity told them that Our Lady requested moneys for a project that would save millions of souls…He berated all the people present when they did not come up the required ammount of 2 million euro…On the second ballot in which he sent around more ballot papers he succceded in raising 1.8 million euro….He demanded that Betty and Michael to make one cheque to himself for 40 000 euro to himself and the remainder to a John Rooney who was later to be proven as her right hand man in America….This wonderful couple could not pay for their central heating that winter….So can you not feel their shock with the revelations of this person who they thought to be a saint living in a mansion in Dublin worth in excess of 4 million euro and several more portfolios to her name..Betty who is considerably younger than her husband and is afeisty lady at 72 decided to pursue and seek truth…She consulted her solicitors and after a very short court hearing CG agreed to pay back the total ammount of 150 000…..She also agreed to pay back on the same day a further 100 000 to another pilgrim who was duped by her also….What does all of this tell us about a woman who once said that she had no interest in material possessions and could gladly live in a tent….her gross disobedience to her Bishop …Arch Bishop Neary is reflective of her arrogance but even more seriously is the man who is Fr. McGinnity and who continues to flog her nonscencial messages and yet is unable to extract himself and be the Theologian that he was born to be…Everyone agrees who know the true story that until McGinnity extricates himself from the clutches of Christina he will never find true peace….Mick

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  11. a happy pilgrim wrote:

    I wish to end my comments on this topic by making the following points….

    We note this and hope you can actually do that. We will keep our readers informed if you do in fact do that or come back using another name.
    As you go note your sexualised comments which we have had to remove. Also your personal attacks on the Director. Your sectarian attacks on people from other Christian traditions under the guise you are defending Catholicism when in fact you are supporting a schismatic entity in dispute with its Bishop. You are refusing to accept your unwillingness to accept this. Other have referenced this,
    “Treasa
    Submitted on 2014/03/28 at 9:52 pm

    If Christina Gallagher had any regard for the Catholic Church, she would obey by the rules of the Church until such time as a thorough investigation had taken place. I don’t question your Catholicism, I question the validity of the nature of the HoP.”
    Treasa

    Submitted on 2014/03/28 at 7:36 pm

    A rather fatalistic approach, The truth is that the HoP have no backing of the Church. There is no Church confidence in the HoP. That has a strong message for those who attend under the belief that the Church backs the HoP.

    Una

    Submitted on 2014/03/27 at 10:50 pm

    The Archbishop’s statements are very clear. His last words on the matter were that the house of prayer has no Church approval and the work does not enjoy the confidence of the diocesan authorities.
    Una

    Submitted on 2014/03/27 at 12:54 am

    The Archbishop of Tuam’s statements are very clear. He has endeavoured to integrate the house of prayer into the archdiocese of Tuam. Christina Gallagher refused to submit to his authority. The house of prayer has no backing from the Catholic Church. The Archbishop of Tuam’s statement in 2008 stated that no new evidence had been presented since 1998 to make him reconsider his position on the house of prayer.
    Una

    Submitted on 2014/03/26 at 10:23 pm

    The Archbishop’s statements are very clear. The commission of inquiry set up by the Archbishop of Tuam concluded in 1997 that no evidence of supernatural phenomena were observed. This conclusion is accepted by the members of the Catholic Church who respect the authority of the Archbishop of Tuam.
    Christina Gallagher didn’t operate the house of prayer as agreed with the Archbishop of Tuam. Christina Gallagher refused accept the offer of the advice of a canon lawyer. Christina Gallagher refused to co – operate with the Archbishop of Tuam and chose to not allow the house of prayer be integrated into the Catholic Church. Christina Gallagher misled the public about the communications she received from the Archbishop of Tuam.
    The over-riding message from the Archbishop of Tuam’s statements is that the house of prayer has no backing from the Catholic Church.

    Una

    Submitted on 2014/03/24 at 10:28 am

    It’s a contradiction that people who support the house of prayer still consider themselves Catholic while they disregard the statements of the Archbishop of Tuam. The house of prayer has no backing from the Catholic Church, there was no evidence of supernatural phenomena, Christina Gallagher refused to co-operate with the Archdiocese of Tuam and she chose not to allow the activities of the house of prayer be integrated into the Catholic Church.
    This is not hatred of the house of prayer, it is the position of the relevant Catholic Church authority.

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  12. I wish to end my comments on this topic by making the following points….
    I used the reference to Medjugorje afor comparison…not for any nature of support.
    The detractors there also pointed to disobedience by the Franciscan Priests and the laity…..but as in the points I stressed, they were only adhering to their own views which happened to differ from that of their local bishop…..perfectly understandable, for those who are capable of being open to all sides and views and where balance is essential.
    IN Christina Gallagher’s case too the apparitions still continue…
    Regarding the enormous effort Mr Garde and DI are putting into breaking down Dr Neary’s statements because allcomments are based only on a one-sided barrage of negativity, insults, mockery and insincerity, all this effort is for zilcch…for nothing….because…
    Those few who share Garde and DI’s opinion are equally embittered and will remain so.
    Those who disagree with Garde and DI will also remain so, and even be reinforced in their beliefs by attacks made upon their beliefs and upon their faith as practising Catholics being judged, condemned and ridiculed by Garde and co.
    Is it not VERY relevant that Jesus Himself said only TWO things matter living in this life in order to gain Salvation….
    1. Love God with all your mind, heart and soul. Have no other God before Him.
    2. Love your neighbour as yourself.

    Now how can ANYONE…full of hatred, mockery, anger, bitterness, accusations, insults etc even love himself or herself….let alone love God?
    So I’ll leave it there brothers and sisters and let anyone reading this look first into their own soul and motives…Goodbye…that’s all

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  13. Some of the comments have been moved to https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/commenting-policy due to abusive comments

    BECAUSE the Archbishop did NOT fulfill the requirements of a proper ly conducted and constructed enquiry, the views he expressed are just opinion and his own current thinking which he is entitled to, as I am entitled to mine.
    I would clearly point out to you also that the views of anyone, lay person, priest, bishop or archbishop..and even cardinal are NOT infallible and any individual has the right to disagree where the disagreement does not lie in the areas of faith and morals in total alignment with the Commandments of God and of the Church.
    Dr Neary’s opinions published were not in any way stating that there was any contradiction with the clear laws of God…

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  14. Archbishop Michael Neary’s opinion is one man’s opinion.

    This striking statement suggesting that Archbishop Neary’s views are just his opinion is mind boggling for someone who is not Catholic, but for a prominent member of the HofP to suggest it shows how much they have drifted from the church they claim’t be part of!

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  15. If Christina Gallagher had any regard for the Catholic Church, she would obey by the rules of the Church until such time as a thorough investigation had taken place. I don’t question your Catholicism, I question the validity of the nature of the HoP.

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  16. A happy pilgrim

    the same was the case for many years regarding the Medjugorje
    ongoing apparitions of Our Lady.

    Note how you seek to find support in the Medjugorje apparitions!

    So matters were taken out of his hands and a Vatican Commission took control.

    Here is a Catholic web site and I will highlight aspects to show you you still have not grasped that only through the Bishop can the process be looked into.
    http://catholicism.about.com/od/beliefsteachings/fl/Papal-Nuncio-Letter-on-Medjugorje.htm

    By Scott P. Richert

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    A letter from Carlo Maria Viganò, the papal nuncio to the United States, caused quite a stir when it was made public on November 6, 2013. Addressed to Monsignor Ronny Jenkins, the general secretary of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), and through him to the bishops of the United States, the letter concerns the “phenomenon of Medjogurje” (sic; Medjugorje is consistently misspelled throughout the letter.)

    While the letter has prompted speculation that the Vatican is “tipping its hand as to what the final judgment on Medjugorje will be,” the reality is more complex—and possibly more disturbing.
    Nothing Has Changed: The State of the Alleged Apparitions at Medjugorje

    The occasion of the letter was a tour of parishes in the United States by “one of the so-called visionaries of Medjogurje, Mr. Ivan Dragičević.” Dragičević has made a number of such tours, and on the basis of that history, the papal nuncio writes that “It is anticipated . . . that Mr. Dragičević

    will be receiving ‘apparitions’ during these scheduled appearances.”

    The papal nuncio notes that he is writing at the request of “the Most Reverend Gerhard Ludwig Müller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith” (CDF), and that this is the second time he has done so on this matter (the first being on February 27, 2013). The rest of the letter reiterates the current status of the alleged apparitions:

    the Congregation has affirmed that, with regard to the credibility of the “apparitions” in question, all should accept the declaration, dated 10 April 1991, from the Bishops of the former Republic of Yugoslavia, which asserts:

    “On the basis of the research that has been done, it is not possible to state that there were apparitions or supernatural revelations.”

    (Does seem familiar?)

    The nuncio then notes that

    It follows, therefore, that clerics and the faithful are not permitted to participate in meetings, conferences or public celebrations during which the credibility of such “apparitions” would be taken for granted.

    The traditionalist website Rorate Caeli, which was one of the first outlets to publish the leaked letter, notes that Dragičević’s tour has been canceled in the wake of the revelation of the letter. (Interestingly, though the letter was dated October 21, 2013, and received by the Office of the General Secretary of the USCCB on October 23, the tour wasn’t canceled until the letter was made public.)
    The CDF’s Special Commission on Medjugorje

    So far, there’s really no news here. As the letter makes clear, the status of the apparitions within the Church hasn’t changed in 22-and-a-half years. While the CDF convened a special commission in March 2010 to investigate the situation at Medjugorje, unless and until the commission returns its findings to the CDF, and the CDF chooses to act upon those findings, the declaration of the Yugoslav bishops’ conference,

    that they are non constat de supernaturalitate (not confirmed to be of supernatural origin), stands, as do restrictions on pilgrimages to the site.

    But what of the special commission? Here is where the letter gets interesting.

    On March 17, 2010, the Vatican confirmed that the commission had been convened by issuing the following statement:

    Under the auspices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, under the presidency of Cardinal Camillo Ruini, an international commission of investigation on Medjugorje has been constituted. Said Commission, composed of cardinals, bishops and experts will work in a reserved manner, subjecting the results of their studies to the authority of the Dicastery.

    In the three-and-a-half years since then no additional official statement about the commission has been made.
    The Real Bombshell: “Doctrinal and Disciplinary Aspects” of the Alleged Apparitions

    Which makes one sentence in the papal nuncio’s letter seem rather striking. Addressing Monsignor Jenkins, the secretary general of the USCCB, the nuncio writes:

    As you are well aware, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is in the process of investigating certain doctrinal and disciplinary aspects of the phenomenon.

    ” . . . certain doctrinal and disciplinary aspects . . . “?

    While the “disciplinary” element is no surprise to anyone familiar with the situation in Medjugorje, where certain clergy who have supported the apparitions over the past 30 years have been in more or less open rebellion against their bishops, nothing in the official statement of March 17, 2010, indicated that the CDF was considering “disciplinary aspects.”

    Even more interesting is the question of “doctrinal . . . aspects,” which would go beyond a mere consideration of whether the alleged apparitions are of supernatural origin. The nuncio’s statement seems to indicate that questions have been raised about the substance of the “messages” delivered during the alleged apparitions.

    Most supporters of the validity of Medjugorje take great pains to claim that the messages are simply a call to repentance and prayer, and that no Catholic should find anything disturbing in them. (See An Exorcist Looks at Medjugorje for one example.)

    But the papal nuncio’s letter would indicate that the commission is apparently considering whether that claim is really true.

    How Might the Commission Rule?

    There are two reasons why the commission might approach the matter this way. First, if there is doubt about the supernatural origins of the alleged apparitions, doctrinal errors in the messages would be a big red flag.

    But the second reason is more disturbing: The commission may have decided that there is reason to believe that the alleged apparitions are indeed of supernatural origin, in which case doctrinal errors would indicate that they are not worthy of belief, because the supernatural origin could not be of God.

    Either reason may explain why the commission was convened in 2010. Normally, investigations into the validity of apparitions only take place beyond the diocesan level once the alleged apparitions have ended. In the case of Medjugorje, however, the alleged apparitions have continued for 30 years, with no end in sight, which has led the Church to approach the phenomenon with caution.

    If, however, the CDF has serious reason—such as doctrinal errors in the substance of the messages—to believe that the alleged apparitions are either fake or of demonic origin, a definitive ruling may come before the alleged apparitions draw to a close.

    But such a definitive ruling could only be negative; a positive ruling would still be possible only once the alleged apparitions have ceased.

    This point is missed interpreted by those who do not submit to their bishops!

    The Papal Nuncio’s Letter on Medjugorje
    The Beginning of the End for the Alleged Apparitions?

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  17. Treasa the truth is that this situation would always be the case everywhere UNTIL the Church does the full proper investigation as laid out clearly in Church law.
    You can argue all you like BUT the work done by the Tuam Archdiosesce does not fulfill the requirements of such an investigation.
    Also there were many miraculous cures reported AFTER that so called investigation…which would have required another proper and full investigation with all the witnesses and medical reports being examined.
    Dr Neary’s commission did NONE of this….at best it was a preliminary examination which had targetted bringing the House of Prayer under the direct control of the Achill Parish in a simplistic process….and Christina Gallagher….given what she was instructed to do by The Blessed Virgin who offered this gift for the whole world, understandably could not accept the terms being imposed.
    It is totally logical, totally understandable and as such is still a totally open case for the Catholic Church to investigate properly.
    None of us who go to the House of Prayer have the slightest doubt or question in this concern. We laugh when this ignorant non-Catholic site tell us we are not Catholics. Thank God that we KNOW what is going on and we would be delighted to see The Rev Archbisbop visit this place to experience for himself what happens there.

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  18. A rather fatalistic approach, The truth is that the HoP have no backing of the Church. There is no Church confidence in the HoP. That has a strong message for those who attend under the belief that the Church backs the HoP.

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  19. Una….the same was the case for many years regarding the Medjugorje
    ongoing apparitions of Our Lady.
    So matters were taken out of his hands and a Vatican Commission took control.
    The same will happen re Christina Gallagher’s Apparitions.
    Like in all things in life, Archbishop Michael Neary’s opinion is one man’s opinion. It will be irrelevant anyway when all these events play out in the time which humanity has left and which will include The Illumination of Souls, The Warning,The Chastisement,The Reign of the Antichrist and the final triumphant return of Jesus in His second coming…
    These are WONDERFUL times we are living in….Many of us may live to experience all of these things…we are the envy of the Saints who would have desired to live in these days….isnt it wonderful…and all the arguing, and all the bitterness, and all the pride, ego and negativity does not and will not matter, nor will it change anything. Not one iota, not one second will it add nor detract.

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  20. The Archbishop’s statements are very clear. His last words on the matter were that the house of prayer has no Church approval and the work does not enjoy the confidence of the diocesan authorities.

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  21. Some of the comments have been moved to https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/commenting-policy for personal abuse reasons
    In their own day, the people rejected the messages given from Heaven to Daniel, to Jonah, to Jeremiah and Nathan etc,
    A prophet is never accepted in his home land and his/her own people.
    In the end, the message from Heaven is proven true…wether that be 5 years or 100 years later. Signs are given at the time of the message to verify that the message is genuine…often these signs are healings of a nature that can only be miraculous, since no other explanation is possible.
    This all has happened MANY times in regard to Christina Gallagher.
    When Dialogueireland asks for proof…..it is all there in the 700+ testimonies.
    It is the responsibility of the local bishop AND the magisterium of The Catholic Church to make the necessary investigation.

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  22. There was an accident in posting that IP it has been removed but because of the consistent sockpuppetry and in fact we are clear we are undergoing a massive attempt to subvert our blog with proxies, I apologise for the accident which can hardly be a problem as it was a proxy.
    This one is IP Location: United States United States Lenoir Rui Huang
    ASN: United States AS31863 DACEN-2 – Dacentec, Inc. (registered Mar 03, 2010)

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  23. See!!! I told you, dialogueireland cannot be trusted. He has revealed someone’s IP address against his own policy. laughable. …………………

    Comment moved to https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/commenting-policy

    There was an accident in posting that IP it has been removed but because of the consistent sockpuppetry we will have keep our readers in the picture.
    This one is IP Location: United States United States Lenoir Rui Huang
    ASN: United States AS31863 DACEN-2 – Dacentec, Inc. (registered Mar 03, 2010)

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  24. dialogueireland’s policy : “to refrain from violating the anonymity of other commenters.”
    You have just violated your own policy by revealing my IP Address. Is it any wonder people don’t give their personal details to you!

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  25. ANon just changing your Proxy and putting the same stuff up is not going to work. I am gathering the data for the appropriate forum. My friend the bishop is in fact CG’s Bishop not mine. If she wants to fly she has to use his runway. Any further generalisations and lack of response to to specific points in the post will be sent to the commenting section!

    IP Information for 95.211.27.5
    IP Location: Netherlands Netherlands Amsterdam Leaseweb B.v.
    ASN: Netherlands AS16265 FIBERRING LeaseWeb B.V. (registered Feb 12, 2001)

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  26. Seems like these posts ARE relevant to the discussion, but you fail to acknowledge that the correct Catholic process as per CDF has yet to be followed by your friend the bishop. Instead you ignore the facts altogether and just keep beating on at your own drum unable to hear the facts.

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  27. Elizabeth could you frame your response in specific responses to the post not just in general views without reference to any specific point. Failure to do so will have us just

    not delete your comment but MOVE It!!!!!

    You again have not answered the questions asked by the post and do not seem to understand what a debate is.
    You have posted this CDF stuff now on different posts for over five years. You keep avoiding the issues.
    Go through the post take the Archbishop’s statement, then my commentary one by one and respond. This ad hominen generalised approach is only filling our blog with irrelevant stuff.If you continue with your present policy of personal attacks on this blog and claiming that Angie, UNA, and others are all myself we will continue to put this material into our commenting section which is for this reason:
    Commenting Policy

    We encourage all of our commenters:

    to be respectful towards one another.
    to refrain from ad hominem and personal attacks.
    to keep to the topic of the post in which comments are being made.
    to refrain from violating the anonymity of other commenters.

    At Dialogue Ireland we make every attempt to allow all commenters a platform to express their views and to have their say. We will only take moderation action in the following cases where commenters have posted:

    abusive verbal attacks.
    material that is completely off-topic from the post.
    sockpuppetry or impersonation.
    spam or pornographic material.
    material that is illegal under the laws of Ireland and/or the US.

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  28. Una is definitely ………………. Comment moved to https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/commenting-policy
    Games being played with proxies
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    ASN: Belize AS199636 ESECURITY Esecurity S.A. (registered Oct 31, 2012)
    Ronald Linco
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  29. Comment moved to https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/commenting-policy
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    ASN: Belize AS199636 ESECURITY Esecurity S.A. (registered Oct 31, 2012)
    Ronald Linco
    address: Level23, One Island East, Westlands Rd
    address: Quarry Bay
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  30. You again have not answered the questions asked by the post and do not seem to understand what a debate is.
    You have posted this CDF stuff now on different posts for over five years. You keep avoiding the issues.
    Go through the post take the Archbishop’s statement, then my commentary one by one and respond. This ad hominen generalised approach is only filling our blog with irrelevant stuff.If you continue with your present policy of personal attacks on this blog and claiming that Angie, UNA, and others are all myself we will continue to put this material into our commenting section which is for this reason:
    Commenting Policy

    We encourage all of our commenters:

    to be respectful towards one another.
    to refrain from ad hominem and personal attacks.
    to keep to the topic of the post in which comments are being made.
    to refrain from violating the anonymity of other commenters.

    At Dialogue Ireland we make every attempt to allow all commenters a platform to express their views and to have their say. We will only take moderation action in the following cases where commenters have posted:

    abusive verbal attacks.
    material that is completely off-topic from the post.
    sockpuppetry or impersonation.
    spam or pornographic material.
    material that is illegal under the laws of Ireland and/or the US.

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  31. You said: “Perhaps you could indicate on what basis you make this assumption?”
    It is not an assumption, it is the proper procedure for bishops according to the guidelines of the CDF . There will be an ecclesiastical investigation into all the supernatural phenomena, still being recorded to date…

    You said: “Don’t worry…”
    I for one am not worried by anything you say or do, because I know who you are and what your agenda is. The HoP advocates Catholics live their Catholic faith therefore it is not outside the mission of the Catholic Church.

    You said: “but abusing his position by going to Achill
    Like any Irish person, FMG is free to travel the length and breadth of his country unhindered.

    You said: “Then we will come to 2008”
    The reports of supernatural phenomena continue to flow in since 2008. Still the proper ecclesiastical investigation has not been instigated. It is only a matter of when.

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  32. comments moved here from Commentary on the Public Statement of the Archbishop of Tuam, Most Rev. Dr. Michael Neary, with regard to the claims and works of Mrs. Christina Gallagher and the ‘House of Prayer’ at Achill, Co. Mayo, 16th December, 1997. due to claiming that individual’s commenting here are all Mike Garde and the statement that we delete them is obviously incorrect Delete, delete, delete, delete….. They are not REMOVED, or deleted but moved in full to our https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/commenting-policy section where they can be read in full. We will not allow our site to be dominated by spamming. Relevant material is left here and responded to.

    Be wary readers, most of the truth about the House of Prayer has been deleted off this blog. You are not allowed to make up your own mind. Mike Garde wants to control what you think.

    dialogueireland said “Logically if one argues that the other person is putting forward an untruth, they quote the reference”
    What I said was that the entire blog on the HoP is riddled with evidence that you are ‘deliberately and intentionally deceptive’ when it comes to the HoP. It is all there and I am therefore using as evidence your entire assault on the HoP as reference, too numerous to quote.

    dialogueireland said: “Perhaps you could indicate on what basis you make this assumption?”
    CDF’s guidelines governing Marian apparitions.

    dialogueireland said “they refuse to accept the authority of the Archbishop by going to a place… “
    Wrong, they are permitted to go to the house of prayer, believe in it and promote it in accordance with guidelines set out by the CDF.

    dialogueireland said “There is no communication so you are totally outside as you refuse to submit!
    The House of Prayer is a private house and as the office of the archbishop confirmed, there is no requirement for them to communicate. This however does not put them outside the Church. Catholics have the right to set up a private house where they come together to pray.

    dialogueireland said “Do send us us a copy to publish. a bit like the recording…”
    No need, it will all come out in the proper ecclesiastical investigation.

    dialogueireland said: “Give us a single example of a Parish Priest who supports the work?”
    If you mean to ask if I would throw the name of a holy priest into your xxxxxxxx xxxxxx,(defamation removed) I would not.

    dialogueireland said: “You have nothing to do with the Catholic Church…”
    It is Catholic people of good standing who travel to the HoP each week to prayer together, the regular prayers of the Catholic Church. The Church has not pronounced disapproval of the HoP but has stated that it remains ‘open and unproven’. We are therefore acting within the Catholic Church.

    dialogueireland said: “but abusing his position by going …”
    What Canon Law are you using to support this defamatory accusation?

    dialogueireland said: …”does not give it legitimacy…”
    As the matter remains ‘open and unproven’, according to the CDF’s guidelines govening Marian apparitions, the HoP cannot have Church disapproval.

    The House of Prayer promotes a return to living out the Catholic faith and multiple witnesses confirm that through the HoP this renewal has taken place in their lives. Testimonies of spiritual conversion abound. Let the truth be known – that it is exactly this that you are attacking.

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  33. Elizabeth wrote:

    I am informing you that this is not the proper ecclesiastical enquiry needed.

    With due respect what are your qualifications for making this point? Perhaps you could indicate on what basis you make this assumption?

    but you wish to cling to the enquiry referred to in 1997,

    Don’t worry I will be commenting on the ’98 Statement. We will show step by step that you have resisted the Catholic Church’s claims. You have placed yourself outside its mission. Just because you go through the motions and have a priest who is in good standing but abusing his position by going to Achill does not give it legitimacy. Then we will come to 2008, but nothing has changed except CG’s bank balance.

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  34. To say that the people who go to the house of prayer are under some influence is like saying all Catholics are under some influence and they are!

    Good try at diverting again. Give us a single example of a Parish Priest who supports the work?

    You have nothing to do with the Catholic Church, you are directly under the influence of CG, who is part of a schismatic outfit.

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  35. The Server quoted DI

    Submitted on 2014/03/26 at 11:54 pm

    dialogueireland said “Please show by quoting the evidence where I am ‘deliberately and intentionally deceptive.’

    The best they can up with is to merely make assertions like this:
    Please re-read your blog on the House of Prayer and you have the evidence you or anyone needs of your ‘deliberate and intentional deception’.

    Logically if one argues that the other person is putting forward an untruth, they quote the reference and then refute it. Your style is to make assertions without evidence. Please as I am in fact summararising the statement of the archbishop show why it is incorrect.

    There is no dispute between Our Lady’s HoP and the Archbishop,

    There is no communication so you are totally outside as you refuse to submit!

    Evident in his office having confirmed this in writing.

    Do send us us a copy to publish. a bit like the recording from the meeting with Pat Coleman!
    Gone missing.

    The Catholics who join in prayer at the HoP, as is their right, have the highest respect for the magisterium of the church.

    Baloney they refuse to accept the authority of the Archbishop by going to a place which is schismatic and unrecognised.

    they play a part in their local parishes in the same way as any other Catholics do.

    Just give us some examples of these Catholics working in their local parishes?
    As I wrote earlier give us one example of a priest that supports the HofP?

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  36. The Archbishop of Tuam’s statements are very clear. He has endeavoured to integrate the house of prayer into the archdiocese of Tuam. Christina Gallagher refused to submit to his authority. The house of prayer has no backing from the Catholic Church. The Archbishop of Tuam’s statement in 2008 stated that no new evidence had been presented since 1998 to make him reconsider his position on the house of prayer.

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  37. una said …moved to https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/commenting-policy
    for not allowing people to have their own identities as shown here. We leave that to the trolls from the HofP
    Here is the evidence:

    You are wrong again dialogueireland-una-angie-denisrobinson and-the-rest-of-you-all-one-person-mike-garde.

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  38. I have adequately addressed the posts but that is just your speak for censoring out the truth. You are hinging all your bets on the Archbishop having held an enquiry and I am informing you that this is not the proper ecclesiastical enquiry needed. I am happy that this work be put to the test because I have nothing to fear in an investigation, but you wish to cling to the enquiry referred to in 1997, which is wholly inadequate given the super-abundance of supernatural phenomena reported ever since.

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  39. The Catholic Church has no confidence in the work of the house of prayer. The house of prayer has no backing whatever from the Catholic Church. I reiterate the Archbishop of Tuam’s statement. He is not deluded. He is the authority responsible for all Catholic activities in the archdiocese of Tuam. Christina Gallagher refused to submit to his authority.

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  40. dialogueireland said “It is you lot that can’t produce a single person who is not under the influence of the HofP.”

    To say that the people who go to the house of prayer are under some influence is like saying all Catholics are under some influence and they are! They are under the divine influence of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Thank God for it

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  41. dialogueireland said “Please show by quoting the evidence where I am ‘deliberately and intentionally deceptive.’

    Please re-read your blog on the House of Prayer and you have the evidence you or anyone needs of your ‘deliberate and intentional deception’. The truth has been pointed out to you and correction of your error has been made on countless occasions but you ignore all fact choosing rather your make-believe twisted malice. Your deceptive agenda is evident here for all to read. Deleting my comments changes nothing.

    Una, yours and dialogueireland’s version of events is a work of pure fiction and distortion. There is no dispute between Our Lady’s HoP and the Archbishop, evident in his office having confirmed this in writing. The Catholics who join in prayer at the HoP, as is their right, have the highest respect for the magisterium of the church, they play a part in their local parishes in the same way as any other Catholics do. CG and FmG and all the people who go to the HoP are in good standing with the Catholic Church and your lies cannot change that.

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  42. Elizabeth
    We note Elizabeth has returned to assist her fellow sock puppets. We will allow this comment to illustrate the inability to address the posts so far. We will move further attempts to divert to the commenting section.

    Good luck getting a parish priest to play a part in your rot.

    It is you lot that can’t produce a single person who is not under the influence of the HofP.
    You are still giving out the same message that you are waiting for a commission. Good luck!

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  43. Your understanding of Catholic method and process is next to nil. An overabundance of supernatural phenomena has been reported to the Church in the years since 1997. We need only think of the major physical healings reported in 2000, any one of which would be enough to uphold the truth of Cg and the HoP. So 1997 is a long time ago and this work now, today and long overdue, requires the proper ecclesiastical investigation. Sorry Una (dialogueireland, angie, denis robinson etc all the same) but the enquiry you are clinging to, referred to by the Archbishop in 1997, simply does not wash in 2014.

    Good luck getting a parish priest to play a part in your rot.

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  44. Thanks Una you seem to have a gift to avoid the dross and get to the point. The clearer we are the greater the personal attack. Whether it be Justice, Prudence, Server, or the multi faceted Anonymous all are sock puppets. We invite any parish priest or Catholic who will name themselves to leave a comment here indicating they support the HofP. We do not need to refer to your web site folks we have been getting the same guff for over 5 years.
    This pathetic attempt to pretend they are all independent of each other is mind boggling.

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  45. The Archbishop’s statements are very clear. The commission of inquiry set up by the Archbishop of Tuam concluded in 1997 that no evidence of supernatural phenomena were observed. This conclusion is accepted by the members of the Catholic Church who respect the authority of the Archbishop of Tuam.
    Christina Gallagher didn’t operate the house of prayer as agreed with the Archbishop of Tuam. Christina Gallagher refused accept the offer of the advice of a canon lawyer. Christina Gallagher refused to co – operate with the Archbishop of Tuam and chose to not allow the house of prayer be integrated into the Catholic Church. Christina Gallagher misled the public about the communications she received from the Archbishop of Tuam.
    The over-riding message from the Archbishop of Tuam’s statements is that the house of prayer has no backing from the Catholic Church.

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  46. I suppose TV3 summed it all up, when introducing you as a ‘so-called cult expert’, one might say the only thing they got right, they didn’t think much of all you self-praise though. Then again self praise is no praise. You haven’t got it right with Christina anyway. She is a prophet of our times and the Church’s commission will be set and will reveal this truth.

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  47. When it comes to the HoP this entire blog is deceptive.

    The truth is that the only public statements made by ‘the people representing the House of Prayer ‘ have in fact appeared on the HoP site http://www.christinagallagher.org. or on their own site voiceofourladyspilgrims. And you keep on and on and on ad nausium saying that everyone who comments here in support of the HoP, actually is the House of Prayer, when that is blatantly not true. Many times I have read people stating here that they are not representing the HoP, saying they are making their own personal statements but but you contradict their own words and insist they are.

    The commission set up consisting of 2 priests and a nun is NOT the proper ecclesiastical commission consisting of canonist, theologians, pyscologists and doctors. You know this and you deliberately ignore this fact, thus “deliberately and intentionally” setting out to mislead and deceive.

    Remember too that because the Archbishop stated that the matter of the HoP remains “open and unproven” that means that we all, us Catholics, have the right to believe in it and so we will. Your diabolical attack against it will not change that.

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  48. The Server wrote:

    Submitted on 2014/03/26 at 2:13 pm

    The FACT is that the Archbishop has not set up a the proper ecclesiastical commission comprising of canonist, theologians, doctors, phycologists etc. to investigate the supernatural phenomena reported and to interview the visionary, CG and the witnesses.

    You clearly can’t read the and are willfully refusing to read the first letter of 1997. He set up a commission and his letter which I have given commentary on is that commission.
    You just do not like its conclusions!

    This will have to be done.

    It has and CG has refused to accept the formation of an Association. It is over to you!

    You are not a canonist, doctor, theologian or a psychologist.

    Yes I am not a canonist, but I obtained my BD Degree from St Patricks’s College, Maynooth and studied under a Canon laywer who likely instructed Cardinal Brady. In fact I was the first non Catholic to obtain this degree. So as to the question am I a theologian the answer is yes. I will post bad photographs of all my qualifications and my thesis in case you have a problem. My thesis is on a cultist Group called the Magnificat Meal Movement shows how Debra did exactly the same as Christina and it would be an ideal primer for those trying to deal with the HofP. I obtained my MA in Theology from the Milltown Institute, Dublin.
    https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/05/24/anniversary-of-ma-thesis-on-mmm/
    Debra also refused to submit to her Bishop, went onto amass millions and has scammed many Irish Catholics.
    Interestingly the Bishop over there in Twowoomba, Bishop Bill Morris was relieved of his ministry by Pope Benedict for diverting from Catholic teaching.
    https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/pope-removes-bishop-who-expressed-openness-to-ordaining-women/

    Hardly something the Archbishop of Tuam will face.
    You ask if I am a psychologist, absolutely not but I have done Clinical Pastoral Study at the Mater Hospital, but more importantly I am a cult expert and already suggested to you that the issue is not understanding psychology but undue influence. This link will fully inform you on the issues concerned.
    https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/about/cultism/
    Also it is not my qualification which are relevant in this process, but rather the bishop’s and they are impeccable. Am I qualified to comment on his Statement? Absolutely!
    https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2014/03/26/qualifications-of-the-director-of-dialogue-ireland-mike-garde/

    As a blogger you are not qualified to pronounce on this work and your commentary is deliberately and intentionally deceptive. Be wary readers.

    You make these sweeping statements and when challenged turn up with another mask saying you did not say anything! Please show by quoting the evidence where I am ‘deliberately and intentionally deceptive.’

    The Archbishop’s OVER-RIDING statement about Our Lady’s HoP is that the matter remains ‘open and unproven’ so ALL Catholics have the right to believe in it; to have and spread devotion to it; and support it unhindered.

    Yes that was the statement in 1997 he has been waiting to hear from you. Catholics going to the HofP beware they are playing around with the facts. We will address with the next statement why you are not Catholic, schismatic and a fraud.

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  49. Section has been moved to commenting, https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/commenting-policy
    due to sock puppetry. We are familiar with this strategy because we have confirmation from former members of the HofP that they are doing this. We have no one else other than fanatic members and associates from the House of Prayer commenting in favour of the HofP on our site.
    DI Moderation:
    The material below will be replied to as they are germane to the post.

    The FACT is that the Archbishop has not set up a the proper ecclesiastical commission comprising of canonist, theologians, doctors, phycologists etc. to investigate the supernatural phenomena reported and to interview the visionary, CG and the witnesses. This will have to be done. You are not a canonist, doctor, theologian or a psychologist. As a blogger you are not qualified to pronounce on this work and your commentary is deliberately and intentionally deceptive. Be wary readers.

    The Archbishop’s OVER-RIDING statement about Our Lady’s HoP is that the matter remains ‘open and unproven’ so ALL Catholics have the right to believe in it; to have and spread devotion to it; and support it unhindered.

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