Ask the ordinary person what they think about Archbishop Diarmuid Martin’s or Ruari Quinn’s views on Education and they will tell you the following:

Archbishop Martin they regard as having done an excellent job of dealing with the sexual abuse scandal. He is very open and is trying to divest Catholic Schools so that other groups can benefit.

The reality is that he is in fact presiding over an Apartheid Church and is trying to halt its decline by a policy of ‘pass laws,’ or in religious language a baptismal certificate which is required to enter a school. Most people think that is ok as after all these schools are Catholic.
The reality is that Archbishop Martin is in fact involved in trying to mask the fact that in Ireland we have a system of National School Education which presupposes that the buildings are controlled by the State regardless of who owns or is the Patron of the School and that in order to obtain funds for running a National School they must be open to all.

Here is the Clontarf Report* which explains this process in great detail:

In fact the State promises to not endow ANY religion, did you get that! NONE

Ruari Quinn came to the job of Minister of Education from a background in opposition which suggested he was going to restore the integrity of the National School system and restore the the Constitutional position which dated from 1832.  There was an expectation that he was going to be great reformer and that he had a proper understanding Of National schools.


As you know he was a student at Blackrock College, and he has now gone native and is suffering from the Stockholm syndrome whereby he acts as if he is a supporter of National Education whereas he has to continue our South African analogy Minister for Bantu Education within the Apartheid System in Ireland.

Gardiner St National Schools
He also attacks those inside his party like John Suttle* who remind him of what he set out to do. John is often silenced and sidelined by the party at local and at the National level.


His ground breaking report is also not understood by Educationalists and by the media. We are going to show how Kitty Holland tried to address this last month but she does not seem to grasp the issues involved.

Kitty Holland

We note that last month that Emily Logan, The Children’s Ombudsman also addressed this issue.

Emily Logan

It is clear that our 1937 Constitution is a marriage of the US Constitution and Catholic Social Theory of people like Jacques Maritain. The US part is beginning to come to the ascendant as the Catholic project is on the rocks and the changes in Irish society are pointing in a secular direction and away from a Christian Constantinian State.

Dialogue Ireland is addressing this subject not so much as a cult issue but in regard t the issue of undue influence both as the general population has been influenced and also those in power have failed to uphold our constitution and as a result have allowed to our children to become children of Apartheid Ireland.

We welcome further discussion on this and look forward do to John Suttle’s attendance at the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection for the 15th January next.

Open pdf here:

140109 John Suttle Presentation to Joint Oireachtas Committee

Presentation to the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection By John Suttle
Relating to the General Scheme of the Education (Admissions to Schools) Bill 2013
15 January 2014
This Committee has been asked to review proposed legislation to deal with admissions in schools in Ireland. However the proposed legislation ignores the elephant in the room – religious discrimination in admissions.
The Department of Education is introducing a religious Apartheid system of education into our National Schools.
And this is illegal, it is in breach of the Constitution – it is in breach of international Human Rights agreements which the State has entered into – and it is in breach of the Equal Status Act, All schools receiving any support from the State must abide by the two principles of the National
School system which are (i) all religious denominations together in the same school and (ii) with separate religious instruction. The two pillars of the National School system are shown in the graphic. To give you a very short history on this issue:
This State was founded by the Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921 – this Treaty is only 3 or 4 pages long with 18 clauses – 17 of these clauses refer to political, financial and military matters – only one clause (no. 16) has a social dimension – which is to ensure that the provisions of the National
School system carry through into the new State – this provision was carried directly (using virtually the same words) into the Constitution of 1937.
The provisions of the Constitution remain unchanged today – with parents having a right to privately funded denominational education – but where there is any State funding, all such schools must live within the two pillars of the National School system. The Equal Status Act continues these
rights – religious discrimination on admission to schools is banned in Section 7.2. The exception in Section 7.3.(c) does not apply to National Schools because it is limited by section 44.2.4 of the Constitution.
The basis of the ethos of all National Schools in seen in the foundation documents of typical schools. The graphic shows a sample of foundation documents for National schools on the Northside of Dublin. There are thousands of documents available to show that the ethos of all National Schools under all patronages includes a commitment to be open with equality to children of all religious denominations.
Religious instruction is allowed and encouraged in National Schools – but there are limits. Separate religious instruction worked perfectly well until the early 1970s, and can work today. Children have a Constitutional right to be allowed to go to their local National School without attending religious instruction.
There has never been a report from any State body that recommended that our children should be divided at four years old into different religious denominations for their education.
In fact there have been many government sponsored reports that have condemned what is going on.
In 1996 the Constitutional Review Group said that the Integrated Curriculum which was introduced in the early 1970s is illegal because it removes the Constitutional right of children to withdraw from
religious indoctrination. This illegality remains today.
In 1998 in the Supreme Court, Judge Barrington inferred from Article 44.2.4 of the Constitution that “if a school was in receipt of public funds any child, no matter what his religion, would be entitled to attend……..”
In 2011, the Irish Human Rights Commission, in their report on religion and education, stated “Article 44.2.4 of the Constitution…….provides that there may not be discrimination between different denominations in the State and that children have the right to attend State aided schools
without attending “religious instruction”
However, there has never been a direct judgment in any Court, or a government report directed specifically at Religious Discrimination in admissions policies.
The Report of the Forum on Patronage and Pluralism in the Primary Sector is the closest that the State has come to in seeking specific advise on how to deal with religion and primary education. To quote from the Report, “the Advisory Group considers that enrolment policy in a Stand Alone school should not discriminate on religious/belief……………” This report has been turned completely on its head by the actions of the Department of Education. Be careful who you listen to: schools at primary level receiving State financial support are National Schools. Watch out for anyone who never uses the term “National School”, but always replaces
with with “primary school, parish school, denominational school, Catholic school etc”. The senior people involved in education understand very well that all primary schools receiving State funding must abide by the Constitutional and legislative provisions which only allow for schools under the National School model – i.e. all religions together in the same school with separate religious instruction”.
This is another disgrace for this country – we are heading for another humiliating Redress programme. Nothing has changed in the Department of Education since the Ryan Report condemned its support for the Catholic Church above the well-being of children, and above the law.
This country has suffered from religious sectarianism too long – and just when our National Schools were becoming multi-cultural, we are now breaking of the law and going against the Constitution to create religious Apartheid in our schools.
I hope that this committee will support the equal rights enshrined in our Constitution. Suggested amendment (an addition at the end) to Section 7,3 (c) of the Equal Status Act – this is only for clarification – as the Equal Status Act is already subject to the Constitution which prohibits discrimination on religious grounds on admission to a school:
“This section shall not apply to any educational establishment in receipt of
State aid, or any form of public money”.

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