Victory leaders in High Court Tuesday Oct 29 @ 11:30

The Victory leadership is in court with a new legal team, we will be able to give you an update later on the results of this legal action. We can officially report that the hearing relates to issues concerning the receivership.

It will likely take at least 3 days and Victory are purely challenging the manner in which the Receivers acted last June. It has no bearing on any substantial issue related to the ownership of the properties. The judgement will be reserved and likely it will be well into November before judgement will be delivered. The logic of this seems to suggest that it might be premature for the receiver to grant Victory rental possibilities if they are in court at each others throats? However, that is purely speculation.

You may remember when Brian Hade appeared in court followed by his mother and father as well as Gerry Byrne they seemed to using the language and style of the Freeman movement.* They soon seemed to reject this and accepted the authority of the court.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2013/10/27/the-freeman-movement/#more-11135

Pastors  Gerry Byrne, Sheila Hade and Brendan Hade

* https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/hades-or-heaven-friday-june-14-the-four-courts/

Then Brian was brought forward and seemed to have some kind of coaching. This correspondent was informed that some American with a ‘Freeman’ disposition was coaching him. He seemed like a rabbit in the lights and spoke in a  hackneyed manner. Brian Hade spoke about not breaking any law and being a law abiding citizen. The judge tried to make clear to him the dimensions of our democratic system and tried to give him a kind of abc to assist him to be able to see that he was flagrantly breaking the law. He did not seem to wish to be represented and so the judge gave him an extended lunch break to reach a decision as to his response.
This summary of the Freeman position gives an insight into his thinking.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land

“Freemen hold that we are all subject to a massive international legal conspiracy perpetrated for the profit of the elites, but you can hack the system if you just use the right form of words. They believe only in their version of natural law, which they call “common law.” In practical terms, they believe this means they do not have to pay taxes, debts, mortgages, etc. because we were all deceived and if you say the right form of words this fact will be accepted.

Freemen believe they can declare themselves independent of government jurisdiction using the concept of “lawful rebellion”: that all statute law is contractual and therefore only applicable if an individual consents to it. They assert that what everyone else regards as “the law” doesn’t apply to them as they have not consented to a contract with the state, even going so far as to claim they have a lawful right to refuse arrest if they do not consent.”
He did not appear to have any religious convictions and never framed his response with reference to God. It would have seemed logical to suggest he was obeying a higher law. However, in this case the mundane nature of his resistance including ‘breaking into’ his former premises after the security personnel had taken over the building seemed to suggest he was under some form of influence. It might have been Brian’s strategy to be imprisoned so he could bring a case under Article 40 of the Constitution for unlawful arrest?

The kind of religious world view shown by the resistance to lawful authority has not fortunately led to any violence, but people under religious influence will not act logically as in other scenarios.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2013/10/27/the-freeman-movement/#more-11135

There is currently a programme on Prime Time about the Freeman Movement in Ireland.

20 Responses

  1. I remember Brendan originally announcing the job was going to Sisks as he knew them well (John Jr?) and would get a good price. At that time from memory the estimate was 7m, but it got bigger when the basement ++ was added. I left soon afterwards, but noted from their youtube building updates that Sisks did not get the job and the Hade Electrical on the hi vis jackets.

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  2. This may explain the subsequent discovery of fraudulent invoices which came to light in the recent court case involving the Hade/ Byrne v Bank of Scotland. Mr. Byrne could not explain the inconsistancy in the accounts. a lot of explaining to be done.

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  3. Good morning
    I worked as Forman for Mac Inearney the building contractors for the V centre.
    I can confirm all works for the building went out for Tender(best price).
    This was done by advertising in the papers . From my recollection Hade Electrical lost money on this Job.We went into receivership at Mac Inearney , and as a result nobody got paid back to them any retention monies our balances due to them from the company.
    I hope this explains things for you some what.
    Kind regards.

    Dan

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  4. Brendan Hade admitted that his son done the electrical work on the building, he also claimed that the decision for his son to do the work wasn’t made by him but by the building firm building the centre. (That statement was given in one of the first meetings in the red cow) Are you claiming that wasn’t the case, also please forgive me if this sounds a bit stupid but I’m not sure what you mean by no tendering was done so could you please explain it to me.

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  5. The contract for the electrical fit- out of the church building in firhouse was awarded to one of the Hade sons, which, incidently, cost hundreds of thousands of euro.No tendering was done. The invoice fraud within the Church ,which involves the Hades and Gerry Byrne is under investigation.

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  6. Any details on the invoice problem? Did the electrical contract for the building go out to tender?

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  7. Greed and manipulation of people are the reasons the Hades and Gerry Byrne are in this legal and moral predicament.

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  8. Is this to do with the revelation considering their spending when their invoices were examined or are you talking about something else?

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  9. they will not return to firhouse in the near future.The recent court case resulted in very damageing evidence being aired against the Hades and Gerry Byrne. It looks likely that the receivers will stay in place.The wrath of God seems to hang over them. I wonder why ? Is it for past indiscretions. Seek forgiveness and things will change.

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  10. Does anyone know what the outcome was? Has any decision been made? Are they definitely going back to firhouse? Have they got to go back to court regarding this situation?

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  11. Maybe the Sunday World will do a definitive article on the Hades/ Victory/ Byrne quango. These three entities need to be put in their place once and for all. Each have done considerable damage down the years and decent people have been hurt.I would consider them yellow pack strugglers in the Salvation stakes.The case in the high court in the past week will certainly clarify the true extent of their lies and deceit.

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  12. Anonymous.. please do tell us about the hundred thousand ..have you inside info…were you involved??

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  13. Sunday WORLD Oct 27th latest ,also various dates in the previous 4 months. Sunday Indo.

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  14. Which papers are you referring to?

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  15. Wow! More exposure in the papers. when is the scandal that is Victory and the Hades going to end.?

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  16. there was ,i believe, a very serious revelation concerning a couple of hundred thousand that came to light when the invoices,for goods supposedly bought for Victory centre, were examined.

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  17. A deep hole where it has gone, and unless the Revenue expose stuff when dealing with the removal of their charitable status it is unlikely you will see any of it again

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  18. To see were my money went.

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  19. Nothing more than you were told. We do not run an intelligence agency. You are in a position to go to court and let us know what you see. It is really only about the receivership, so you seem to want gory details why?

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  20. Any update on the court cause?
    Hopefully of the Who, What, When, Where Why and How variety.

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