Reply from a ‘Worker’ to the post, “Two by Twos” by someone who grew up and out of the movement.

Dialogue Ireland offered a right of reply to any one from the “Two by Twos” and this is the first of these.

I appreciate the opportunity that Dialogue Ireland offers for right of reply to be made by members of the group.

I will comment on statements made the writer, according to my personal experience as a member and also as a ‘worker’ i.e. a member of the ministry of this group.

The workers travel about in celibate pairs based on a misunderstanding of Matthew 10:8-10.

I do not spend my life unmarried because of what is mentioned in Matthew 10:8-10. I understand that the Matthew 10 refers to an initial short term commission given to the Apostles. I spend my life in the way I do because of a calling/vocation that is accordance the later commission that Jesus gave to those same Apostles in Mat 28
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.

Members are deliberately kept in the dark regarding the beginnings of the group and child sex abuse incidents amongst their preachers.

This has not been my experience from youth I was told and know of the beginning of our group. I am however aware that some have not had the beginnings of our group in the late 19th century told and explained to them. In my personal ministry I am happy and open to discuss the beginning days and people of our group with anyone. Yes there have been instances where child sex abuse incidents have not been dealt with correctly. In the country where I work they are dealt with correctly and with a transparency that will stand any examination.

Members may not challenge the workers- if they do they face excommunication.

I will listen to ANY member who would approach me with a matter concerning them. I have NEVER thought of or considered excommunication of any member in the decades I have been in this ministry for several decades.

The workers slander other preachers and churches as “greedy” and “false”.

I do not slander other preachers or churches. I see no need for that. I seek to uphold Christ, that is all that I understand as being needed in preaching the gospel.

Yes I have heard workers speak against other churches and preachers. Fortunately I am hearing it less and less in our more ecumenical age. Is this practice something that is exclusive to workers? Is it correct that in Ireland Protestant preacher will speak against the Catholic Church? Roman Catholics against Protestants? One denomination of Protestantism against another?

Members are afraid to leave the group as they are trained to believe that if they leave they will go to hell.

I teach and encourage people in their faith and relationship with God. I give NO teaching or training that if they leave our group they will go to hell. I do mention of the consequences that the Bible teaches of those who will neglect or forsake their relationship with God.

If a member does leave, that person becomes subject to gossip and slander.

Yes perhaps sometimes? We are a group of imperfect people. Other times what may be perceived as gossip and slander is members with a feeling of loss and sadness discussing factually the reasons and issues that lead to the person leaving.

To leave the meetings is very difficult because members don’t mix with outsiders. Often all of their family, relations and most of their friends are in the meetings so to leave the meetings means breaking close bonds with their community.

This is the experience of the writer. My own sister’s experience of leaving our group is different. She grew up in our family with our parents members of the group. My sister in her youth became a member; she ‘professed’. Some years later she exited. Yes we had feelings of sadness and loss when she exited. The spiritual aspect of the relationship she had with us no longer exists. She maintains a close and warm family relationship with all in our family who are members of the group. The experience of my sister in our family circle is not limited just to our family experience. My sister has no concerns regarding a controlling nature of the group, issues of abuse or violation of human rights.

Members who date an “outsider” get threatened with excommunication.

Where I live and work members who date an outsider DO NOT get threatened with excommunication. Parents and workers will feel concern, they desire that their sons and daughter, our young people will choose a marriage partner that they will have agreement with in the spiritual values and beliefs. Perhaps similar to what may happen with a Protestant girl dating a Catholic boy or vice versa in Ireland? Is a devout Catholic happy with his son dating a Protestant? Or a devout Protestant happy with his daughter dating a Catholic lad?

Even though “outsiders” are considered “lost”, the friends are commanded to never tell outsiders about “the Gospel” and to never approach an outsider about the group.

In my experience the opposite is true. I actively encourage our friends to share of their faith and of how the Gospel has benefited and enriched them. With the hope that others may be drawn to know of gaining such also.

The outsider must approach a member about their faith or attend a gospel meeting (a “mission”). When an outsider asks a member about their faith members are expected to introduce them to the workers because the gospel must be heard from the workers themselves. If after meeting the workers an outsider continues to take interest in the meetings, the workers give that person one-to-one bible studies.

I don’t work in this manner and know of no colleague who works in this way in the number of countries I have worked in.

Interested outsiders are only gradually taught the group doctrines and only after a period of time are invited to private church events. The outsider will then be invited to attend a convention during which he/she will be shown about only by the workers and introduced to a few of the more “hearty” friends.

I wonder how many Irish members of our group which agree with the accuracy of this statement?

Although most of the workers deny the Trinity (many say that Jesus was merely a man who became without sin through obedience to the law and lived as an example how to live, with the workers following on this example for the rest to copy), they will never admit that to an outsider. If an outsider stops attending gospel meetings, he/she is considered to be “unwilling” to “accept the Truth”.

This is a theological matter. My personal conviction is the Trinity doctrine and creed has some correct parts to it, but is at best an incomplete attempt by man to explain the nature of and the relationship between the Father, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit.

The workers travel about a designated region in pairs. An older brother worker is paired up with a younger brother, an older sister worker is paired up with a younger sister worker. They cannot marry, do not work and instead rely on money donations from the friends.

I have chosen not to marry. Marriage is good and a godly institution. By choosing not to marry I have proved it has left me free to devote myself more fully in seeking to serve and live for members of our group in pastoral work and for humanity in our evangelical work. I understand and acknowledge that some of the Apostles were married men.

They also expect the friends to host them, do their laundry, cook meals for them for times that suit them and let them use their cars.

I DO NOT expect this of members of our group.

“A worker” says that only a few “oddball” workers expect to live with people, to use spare cars, to be fed at times that suit the workers and to get their laundry done from them. That’s a lie! All workers expect this special treatment.

All I have written is true according to my knowledge and experience. But the author of the original article says ” this is a lie and All workers expect this special treatment”.
This person refuses to accept the veracity of what I write.

People often give them spare house keys to come and go as they wish.

Yes they do, it reflects the measure of trust that many members of our group have of the ministry.

Then the author stated

“A worker” even contradicts him/her self by admitting that some of the “friends” do give staying workers house keys. Why would workers receive house keys if they are not staying in peoples

I am unable to see the contradiction I am making?

Workers receive houses keys so that they can go into the giver’s home as they wish. That members would do so manifests the measure of trust that such members of our group have of the ministry.

To have the workers staying is perceived to be a great honour.

Yes many perceive it this way. I as a worker also perceive it as a great honour that our people feel moved to open their hearts and their homes to us in the manner they do! We have a rich and meaningful bond and fellowship with many of our people.

When they are staying they often spend long periods in their bedrooms, during which the family members are expected to be quiet in their own home for the workers.

Yes we spend time praying and reading the Bible preparing for meetings and seeking help from God and the Bible. Family members as a courtesy often try to be quieter when they know we are doing this. But I don’t ‘sweat that one too much’. If we are in a family home and children and the healthy noise that children make I don’t sweat about that too much!

People keep notes from worker sermons and value them as equal to the bible.

I discourage our people from too much reading and feeding from notes of what workers have spoken. I encourage them to rather to read and feed from the Bible.

Photos of the workers are kept in photo albums, in bedrooms, in bibles and publicly displayed alongside photos of family members.

Yes this does happen, there is often a deep and wonderful and mutually joyful relationship between workers and our people. I also keep photos of our people, adults, children, families, those who are very dear to me.

The workers always sit separately from everyone else during convention meals and meetings, as though they are too holy to sit beside the friends. At conventions they are always served first and fed better than everyone else.

Again I can’t speak for Ireland, However where I live and work very few workers always sit separately for meals. I am not fan of sitting separately, I enjoy fellowship and company of sitting and eating with whomever I sit next to wherever I get a place to sit and eat! Here they have trouble getting the table filled, too many other workers who have the preference I do!

Little children are expected to give the workers hugs, even the workers they are unfamiliar with.

Expected to? I don’t know about that? I do know that children ‘pick up the vibes’ of what their parents feel about workers and when they perceive that their Dad and Mom love and appreciate the workers that flows over into the children also.

Basically, people revere the workers to the point of worship.

I strongly discourage anything along this line.

As the workers are believed to be “the Word made flesh” it is not permitted to question a worker.

I have often heard of Jesus being spoken of as “the Word made flesh” but never workers being spoken of as the Word made flesh.

The workers say that members should be like little children in all things- and that includes not asking questions (those who do ask questions or bring up an issue, have a “poor spirit” and are made to feel that the real issue is with them, not the group). The workers decide who can join the group and who cannot, they can excommunicate someone to hell. They say they have sacrificed their career and possessions along the chance of marriage and family for the sake of the friends, with the implication that the friends therefore “owe” their salvation to the workers.

I believe and teach that salvation is the gift of God.

The workers are very controlling of the friends. For an example: they do not want the friends to let their children play with outsiders, as outsiders will have a poor influence on the children. One of the ways workers control people is through surprise visits, meaning they can catch people out if they are doing something forbidden. Some workers just walk around the back of the house and walk right in the back door.

I am do not control friends, I believe that is WRONG. I have never made a visit as is described.

As many teenagers are pushed into the group against their wishes in the early teens, most teenagers in the group live a double life; wearing makeup and trousers to university and then long skirts and no makeup when in the presence of the workers, nightclubbing on Saturday nights and then turning up for the Sunday morning meeting few hours later. Others turn to drugs and alcohol once they go to university and are able to escape the direct influence of the workers.

Yes there are some who live a double life, in experience a minority. I know many who are well adjusted and happy, sincere and dedicated young Christians.

There are cases of workers and elders abusing children in a sexual manner. Although Noel Tanner is the only an Irish worker to be convicted for abusing young boys, there are others. A Cork worker was removed from “the work” in 2006 for taking advantage of a teenage boy in France but was never reported to the police. There are rumours of other Irish workers being involved in child sex abuse. To date fifteen workers and professing friends have been convicted for child sex abuse.

http://www.wingsfortruth.info/convicted.htm

Yes it is a matter of great sadness that there have been instances of child sexual abuse by members of our ministry and congregation also. This is inexcusable and wrong. I am glad of the enlightened, honest and transparent manner in which any instances of abuse are handled in the country in which I am living and working.

The poster writes a paragraph mentioning dress issues, attending the cinema, TV etc. and how vexing that was for them. They have done the right thing in leaving the group. He/she can dress in any way they wish to and do anything they wish to. But is a conservative manner of dress and lifestyle that is common to members of the group abuse or a violation of human rights?

Having family members leave the group is considered a great shame.

Having a family member leave the group is a matter of sadness, I have not known it to be a matter of shame

If someone leaves the group, people will suddenly stop speaking of that person in public.

This is the experience of the writer. I do not do this. I have had the experience of some who leave sometimes avoiding contact or public speaking with members of the group they once belonged to.

Family members are urged to put pressure on that person to return to the meetings. If a spouse leaves the group, the partner remaining in the group is glorified for suffering so and is encouraged by the workers to withdraw affection until their partner returns to the meetings. Children with a parent who is not professing are considered to be from a “divided home” and there is a stigma attached to coming from a divided home.

This the writers experience or perception but I have not known or been aware of such.

Once a child born into the meetings reaches his/her teens, he/she is expected to join the group. Relations, family members and peers put pressure on teenagers to profess because it is believed that if he/she does not join the group, he/she will die and go to hell. I had no desire to profess but for a long time feared I would go to hell if I died before professing. In my teens, I became so convinced that God would kill me in the night and send me to hell that I would try not to sleep during the night and get night time panic attacks.

When I reached my teens there was no pressure or expectation put upon me by family or workers. At this time in my life God through his Spirit and his Word touched and worked in my heart. I for some time resisted and struggled against this, it was a time of unrest and lack of peace in my heart. When I stopped struggling against God and surrendered my will and life to him and believed in the promises and provision in Christ for salvation a peace and joy come into my heart and life.

In closing I will state that I do not think or feel we are ‘perfect’ group of people. Mistakes have been made by members of our group and ministry. I do not think or feel that we are a group with harmful cultist tendencies of control, abuse and violation of human rights. I acknowledge the experience of those who have exited while also acknowledging those with a positive experience such as mine is.

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20 Responses

  1. The so called workers are not actually working, are they? Everything is provided for free. Whilst, most are well meaning, they still have a somewhat easy life.

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  2. If I look at the quotes here and the worker’s response, on the whole the quotes more reflect my own experience (from thirty years ago in the UK, and as far as I can tell not very much has changed since then). Mentioning the origin of the group is a big no-no; members here as far as I know are still generally unaware of it. I was always told “the meetings” have no Earthly founder, unlike other sects and denominations. People are discouraged somewhat from associating with outsiders (although I have never been shunned by my relatives in the “Truth”).

    There is, it seems to me, pressure on teenagers to “profess”. I think the worker is right (in this region) in saying that people are if anything encouraged to tell people about the “Truth”, but people are not given any kind of full explanation of the Truth’s beliefs, and are expected to absorb it gradually from attending gospel meetings (where pairs of workers speak).

    The problems really with “the Truth” stem from (in my experience and in my area of the UK at least) the history and hierarchy of the sect being basically covered up, and their beliefs not published — but nevertheless rigorously enforced. People are told they are the only true Christians and (enforced through fear of shame) cannot then make their own choices about their clothing, whether or not they watch TV, whether or not workers stay in their houses, etc.

    They have to be very careful not to be seen to have a “wrong spirit”, which could result in a lot of psychological pressure being put on them, or even in them being, in effect, excommunicated (even though the group does not use this word).

    It’s not like the Church of England, where members decide for themselves how to act in accordance with their religion, and everything is published and made clear at the outset to anyone who asks or searches the Internet. Workers do not like detailed questions from outsiders or new members, an lie about their founder (or do not know themselves).

    The normal checks and balances that other religions, denominations and sects, and even commercial companies, are obliged to put in place in order to safeguard members as much as possible, are (again, in my experience) quite deliberately ignored and denied in the Truth, and this leads to a lot of real problems for a lot of real people.

    The church DOES have a doctrine (which differs somewhat from place to place, it seems, as the Internet reveals) and definitely has a hierarchy. It has many rules, which are not written down but are nevertheless enforced. Members can be put under a lot of pressure or expelled for not following these rules. This does not seem right to me.

    You cannot get these rules from the Bible. In this day and age, the Truth needs to ensure that all members in all regions are able to obtain information about the founding, hierarchy and rules of the sect without being subject to disapproval from members — because at the same time that they are told “judge not lest ye be judged” (which personally I agree with), they are actually judged by workers and by each other to a greater extent than any other Christian group I have encountered.

    There are many good aspects to the “Truth”; although I left as a teenager, I absorbed some good precepts from it, and many members are lovely and sincere people. Other aspects, however, are troubling — principally the secrecy. People who join do not know what they are getting into and many longstanding members do not know anything of the group’s history and little or nothing of its hierarchical structure.

    The “workers” are often good and sincere people, but they often are fully provided for — so “worker” seems a bit of a misnomer, at least in some cases. Members seem to feel obliged to let the workers stay in their homes and to provide them with meals, transport and so on. It may well vary, but to me the life of at least some workers seems particularly easy. They claim essentially to be humble mouthpieces of God, but it’s not hard to find workers who really are astonishingly arrogant.

    I remember hearing often from workers in “gospel meetings” about how scientists are arrogant and people who don’t accept “the Truth” are arrogant. But then I met many scientists and found them generally somewhat more humble than the average person, if anything, and certainly more humble than many workers.

    Workers, on the other hand, claim to speak for God and claim to be the only people who speak for God.

    The “Truth” needs more transparency and toleration, and members deserve to know when the movement was founded (1897) and by whom, even if they regard this founding as merely a return to what they consider to be the correct interpretation of the teachings of Jesus. Member deserve to know who is deciding what and that the overseers exist. I think things are improving, but only slowly.

    Their invitations to used to say “non denominational Christian fellowship meetings”, but to an “outsider”, this is simply a falsehood. They are the very opposite to “non-denominational”. It is not right to have a very particular set of beliefs (women having to wear hair in buns and to wear skirts, no televisions or radios or popular music, etc), a clear hierarchy, a definite founder (William Irvine) and yet to avoid identifying themselves with any particular name to outsiders and avoid mentioning most of this at the outset.

    Rules even extend to things like pianos being approved of (for playing hymns, mainly), but guitars being disapproved of, even if solely hymns are played on guitars. But these rules are not written down, and yet they are enforced through people being made to feel uncomfortable or ashamed if they break them.

    Every movement has its bad apples, and there is a record now of various workers being convicted of child abuse. Yet members often seem more concerned about protecting the sect than exposing wrongdoing. They are also afraid to say anything against the workers and often do not feel they can refuse to let workers stay in their houses. This is why published rules and safeguards are needed, as in any other religious movements.

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  3. Hi “a worker”,

    Your accounts of the meetings does not correspond with the rules and expectations required within the Irish meetings. For an example you said this:

    If someone is not finding that as a member of our fellowship, like the writer of this article and a number who are ex members of our group and have posted comments then my personal feelings are that is beneficial for them and beneficial for or group that they look for a group where they can and do find that.

    and yet, I have never met a worker who did not believe that the meetings was the only true church with everyone else going to hell.

    This is why I say that you are a liberal. Within the last few years the Irish 2x2s have become more relaxed regarding leisure activities, the attire of women and so on.. but they remain focused on the workers and the worker’s rules. Not so long ago two brother workers in Ireland were removed from the work under a cloud of suspicion but still the friends are kept in the dark.

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  4. @never returning to the meetings

    hmm I see!
    You have correctly stated that I am not from Ireland!

    As to your statement…
    ” I am from a country that has “friends” with a more liberal attitude than the Irish workers and “friends””

    Am I? Is this an assumption you are making? What do you mean by ‘liberal’ and ‘liberal’ about what?

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  5. I hope I did not unnerve “A worker”!

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  6. Hi “A worker”. You said in your posting above:

    “…I can’t speak for Ireland, However where I live..”

    This means that you are not based in ireland. You also make assumptions about Irish Protestants and Catholics being discouraged from intermarrying and while this is attitude is starting to fade away in Northern Ireland, this is often not the case in rep.Ireland (I know of quite a few Irish Protestant-Catholic marriages.) If you had been Irish you would have known that! You also said:

    “Is it correct that in Ireland Protestant preacher will speak against the Catholic Church?”

    which also gives you away as not based in Ireland because if you were Irish, you would know that. Also, you are are far too liberal to be an Irish worker!!

    That is I why I said:

    “I feel that I need to clarify something:
    This “worker” is not from or based in Ireland. This “worker” says he/she is from a country that has “friends” with a more liberal attitude than the Irish workers and “friends”.”

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  7. @never returning to the meetings

    My apologies, seems I have misunderstood?

    I feel that I need to clarify something:
    This “worker” is not from or based in Ireland. This “worker” says he/she is from a country that has “friends” with a more liberal attitude than the Irish workers and “friends”.

    I understood that you were referring to me as having said this?

    But it seems you are talking about some other worker?

    I have made no statement as you refer to.

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  8. never returning to the meetings, on February 18, 2012 at 10:13 pm said:
    ‘A worker’ please, excuse my messy post above.
    I feel I need to say that none of my comments are in judgement of you but rather are an expression of my need to express the frustrations of being in the meetings.

    Thanks, appreciate, understand and no need to ask for your post to be excused.
    Hey, we should enjoy the fellowship, life and worship of the church/group we belong to. If you are frustrated being in meetings then perhaps it is advisable you look for a group where there is fellowship, worship and life that will give you satisfaction,joy and peace? I wouldn’t belong to any group if I didn’t get that with them.

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  9. That’s what the worker said- he spoke out against the telephone and then said that the “friend’s” homes should be like his parents’ home: without a telephone, not letting children play with outsider children. He held his parent’s home up as an example to be followed and explained that the telephone could be used to gossip. I won’t say what convention because it could give the worker’s identity away.

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  10. never returning to the meetings posts: on February 18, 2012 at 9:40 pm said:

    I feel that I need to clarify something:
    This “worker” is not from or based in Ireland. This “worker” says he/she is from a country that has “friends” with a more liberal attitude than the Irish workers and “friends”.

    I am unaware of having made such a statement. Perhaps you could copy it and paste it on this blog?

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  11. ‘He also said that because his parents did without a telephone in the home, everyone else should also not have a telephone in their homes. ”

    If this is what was spoke at fermanagh which looking bk at my own note seems to be (haven for ships?) its exagerating to say he said nobody should have a phone in there home.

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  12. Hi Wow,

    The worker spoke out against all 3rd level education citing his experience of 3rd level education. He also said that because his parents did without a telephone in the home, everyone else should also not have a telephone in their homes. He spoke out against computers in general- along with the misuse of them. It seemed to me that he was indirectly speaking about those who go online and speak out against the control of the workers and such like. An veiled warning perhaps. I should have explained that a bit more but am somewhat busy at the moment so I just copied and pasted the notes into a post and left it at that.

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  13. Thank you!yes i can see where hes coming from too I think..he spoke more against the misuse or overuse of phones and computers then against the objects themselves? How did mother in laws get into the sermon I wonder!so did he actually say that there should not be friends in third level Ed or did he just say that it wasn’t the easiest place to be..maybe u don’t remember sorry about all the questions! Quiet atmosphere in the home and rising early to read the bible is good advice i think.
    By the way I think what the worker means is that the oddball workers are the ones who expect to be treated like royalty not the ones who stay in peoples’ houses.!most workrs i know who stayed in our home come and fit in with whatever the routine is.of course we let them free to help themself if our mealtime isnt suitable becuase of a mission or something or if we not in for lunch or whatever.we like them staying they know to take us as they find us.!

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  14. OK.. found the notes.

    The worker described his place of study as having an “evil spirit” even though where he studied is a small, quiet place. He spoke against telephones and computers.He accepts that computers are now needed in most jobs but also said that they bring “a lot of rubbish into the home.. a lot of destruction into the home” The worker said that the homes of “friends” should be open homes with the “friends” rising early to read their bibles, a quiet atmosphere in the home, not using the telephone, mother-in-law living in the home (“There are many jokes on this thing called mother-in-laws”) and no raised voices. The worker then said that wants the young folk to think of having “an open home for those who have no home, God’s ministers who are preaching the gospel”.The worker gave his parents’ home as a good example for the “friends” to follow, saying that as a child his family had some really good neighbours whose children he was allowed to visit and play with until one day his parents decided that he could no longer visit these neighbours on account of this family being musical.He also said this happened with other neighbours too, and said although as a child it left him & his brother with no local playmates, he approved of his parents’ choice because it “always made it possible that we were as close to the work and the workers as possible”.He also praised his parents for not having a telephone.He ended his sermon with a comment on how parents need to make “right choices so that there can be homes for God’s children”.

    The irony was that I saw a worker just after the meeting with a very fancy laptop.. :) To be fair, I could understand a little from where that worker was coming from but… he did sound like he’d come from 1911 not 2011.

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  15. Ok would appreciate that. Did you hear it in Ireland or somewhere else? If so, can you state for example a few facts about the worker – eg north/south origin, male/female, approx age group?

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  16. I can give a little of the sermon but I will not give initials.

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  17. @never returning to the meetings – was it in Ireland you heard this preached? Who on earth was the worker? (initials will suffice, to protect confidentiality if necessary)

    I find it shocking that this is preached. Do you have notes of the sermon?

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  18. “A worker” please, excuse my messy post above.

    I feel I need to say that none of my comments are in judgement of you but rather are an expression of my need to express the frustrations of being in the meetings.

    You mentioned marriage in your posting about. I just want to say that I know a worker who was very much in love but felt obliged to go into “the work” and then saw his love get married to someone else. He confessed that many years later, it still hurt him. Just like in the RCC, as a preacher he was denied marriage- and yet, the NT says that he who marries does no wrong, that it is better to marry than to not marriage but lust. I know married preachers in other churches and they work together in a way that an unmarried preacher could never achieve.

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  19. “A worker” says that only a few “oddball” workers expect to live with people, to use spare cars, to be fed at times that suit the workers and to get their laundry done from them. I replied that what “a worker” had said was a lie as all workers expect this special treatment. As a worker, “A worker” would expect this kind of special treatment. “A worker” agreed that people often give the workers house keys to come and go as they please. In agreeing to that, “A worker” has admitted that he/she lied about not expecting to be hosted in members’ homes, fed and so on- because if the workers

    “A worker” even contradicts him/her self by admitting that some of the “friends” do give staying workers house keys- because afterall why would workers receive house keys if they are not staying in peoples’ homes?

    The workers live in members’ homes. They get their laundry washed, they are given money, they are given use of members’ cars to drive around at their leisure, they are fed and often at times that suit them. “A worker” please stop denying this. You may feel that you don’t put people out by staying with them but when there are 2 strangers in our homes (strangers who claim to be very holy indeed and whom spend much of their time hiding in the bedroom) we feel uncomfortable in our own homes. We cannot listen to music, for an example, while the workers are staying because they frown upon it and often speak at convention of their “struggles” trying to pray while “Satan’s music” was playing in their host’s house. There are a few relaxed workers who will engage with the children, help out with chores and join in games, and therefore are enjoyed by the family but most workers are rather joyless and expect silence when they are in the bedrooms.

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  20. I feel that I need to clarify something:

    This “worker” is not from or based in Ireland. This “worker” says he/she is from a country that has “friends” with a more liberal attitude than the Irish workers and “friends”. I am aware that “the friends” in some countries have become more liberal than in others- that said we cannot use this liberalism in some places to discredit the strict attitudes in other areas such as Ireland.

    Just last June I heard a worker at a convention preaching against the need for high level education and from children mixing with outsider children. By the way, this was from a man who had 3rd level education! This kind of attitude still exists in Ireland!

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