I staked it all on thought power: THE BUSINESS INTERVIEW AINE COFFEY

I staked it all on thought power

A self-help seminar prompted the bookie John Boyle to set a turnover target of 1bn.

The recession won’t stop him

THE BUSINESS INTERVIEW AINE COFFEY

I-staked-it-all-on-thought-power

Sunday Times January 30, 2011

John Boyle, the founder and acting chief executive of Boylesports, sups a large health drink in his tiny cubicle at the bookmaker’s head office in Dundalk, Co Louth. He is not quite sure what is in the mix but the guys at the gym recommended it and “they are a picture”. Boyle — neat, bearded, healthy-looking — has spent an hour with his personal trainer this morning and says he will be knocking off at 5pm for more training. He hasn’t touched alcohol since being sacked from his job as a bread van driver at the age of 25 over his drinking. “I lost my youth,” he said. At 15, he ran away from home with a cousin and worked on the Isle of Man for six months in jobs that included being a hall porter and serving in a burger joint.

Then it was on to the bread van from 1975 to 1981, marrying and having two kids

along the way. Getting sacked was a wake-up call, he says. ‘They saved my life.”

Another wake-up call came in 2002, when he attended a two-week mind power

seminar given by Tony Quinn, the controversial ‘lifestyle guru’, that “lit my light”. As far as “mind technology” goes, he is both believer and evangelist. “All his philosophy made sense to me. I would say it is the best thing I have ever done. The key thing I took out of it is your thoughts create your reality and if you have control of your mind, you can achieve that goal. “I always had this understanding there was a power inside of me taking care of me and looking after me and I could ask it for anything.”

(See our earlier post –

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/supplement-to-sunday-world-sunday-august-23-09/

After attending Quinn’s course, Boyle set himself a target of building up his business

to a 1 billion annual turnover with 25m profits. “I set goals and I wrap my mind around them and they happen.” At that time, he had 37 betting shops with a 90m turnover. He is currently buying 17 outlets from his rival Celtic Bookmakers, the chain founded by Ivan Yates that went into receivership earlier this month. That will bring his group to 158 shops and is part of a drive to get back on track to achieve the 1 billion goal. He says he can see himself with 200 shops by the end of this year.

After a pell mell expansion, Boylesports’ turnover stabilised at around 750m in

2008, when Ireland’s spending spree ended. “In 2009, turnover just dropped out of the sky. Boom.1 We had a year of saying we’d better pull in our horns; we had been

opening 20 shops a year.” Retrenchment included closing down a Spanish operation that was to have been the outpost for a planned European expansion of online gambling. “I would have said it was a five-year plan,” he said. “I would have to spend another 10m- 15m a year marketing it and wasn’t going to be getting that out of the estate.” He also failed to renew his sponsorships of Sunderland football club and the Cheltenham racing festival, partly to cut costs, but he says they had ran their course.

The year 2009 was Boylesports’ only lossmaking year and it swung back into profit

in 2010. The number of bets rose by 3% last year, he says, though stakes were smaller. The company opened a new shop, as well as buying a Celtic Bookmakers shop in Enniscorthy, Co Wexford. So far, Boylesports has closed none of its shops. “That is not bad. That is not to say we won’t look at shops as time goes on if they are not making anything towards the rent.” Boyle says turnover has dropped no more than 5% from the peak, but that still means a hit of 5m- 6m to the bottom line.

“The main thing in business is you have to be a strong swimmer.” He opened his first shop in 1982, the year after he stopped drinking. It cost IR£18,000 ( €22,855). His father gave him a IR£6,000 loan and guaranteed the rest. Boyle senior, a publican, trained greyhounds for a millionaire, Rolls Royce driving London bookmaker. Boyle says it was a visit to London with his father at the age of 14 that got him into the business.

After a trip to the Greyhound Derby final at the White City stadium, and a tour of the

bookmakers, the teenager decided it was the life he wanted, complete with a Rolls

Royce: “I photographed it in my mind”.

Now he is living that dream. He has a Rolls-Royce Phantom with personalised number plates, JB7, after his seven children. His second car is a Range Rover. He lives on the coast in Rostrevor, Co Down, with a view of the Mourne Mountains. He holidays in style. “If you travel, you can go first class.” He took three months off last year, including a jaunt to Thailand, two skiing trips and a few visits to Tenerife.

(This is pure Quinn conditioning, the car, travel and doing everything first class. All the disciples follow this routine.)

He visits Lourdes every year with the Carmelite sisters. After spending New Year in the five-star Peninsula Hotel in Bangkok, the city’s top luxury hotel, he was back home for just two days before heading off to ski in Courchevel in France.

“I was thanking God every minute for letting me be there.”

(Here one gets an interesting insight into the spirituality of John Boyle. He obviously sees Quinn as compatible with his Catholic faith, yet above get the juxtaposition of going to Lourdes with the high life lifestyle. In a way through Quinn it is all about the old Celtic Tiger dream even after all the cubs have died! But suddenly he puts forward Quinn’s impersonal philosophy. He thinks it is Catholicism but it is about advancing self -IT.

. “I always had this understanding there was a power inside of me taking care of me and looking after me and I could ask it for anything.”)

This week, he’s off for a few days’ break at the Clonmel Coursing Derby, where Ashmore Lucky, his dog, is running. He is much keener on greyhounds than on horse

racing, and has two dogs. “I love the coursing. Maybe again it’s back to my dad

training greyhounds.” From the start, the bookmaker business did not disappoint Boyle. His first shop was instantly profitable. “I was getting wages of IR£500 a week after my running costs. The job I was in prior to that I was earning less than IR£13 a week. That was all in a year, and overcoming a drink problem. For me, it was like arriving in heaven.” Seven years later, he setup two shops on the same day in Drogheda. He says the IR£500 weekly wage quickly became IR£5,000. People were giving away shops for peanuts”, he says. “I bought a wee shop for IR£2,500 and in the first three days I won ER£7,500. I said, if this is a recession I can’t wait to get out of it” Boyle, relentlessly upbeat, sees this recession as offering similar opportunities. ‘For

young entrepreneurs, this is the perfect time, everything is free. People are giving

away businesses and properties. People will get opportunities now they wouldn’t

have got three or four years ago.” The Celtic Bookmakers receiver, for example, has chopped 200,000 off the  leases Boyle is buying. Between the acquisition and the rebranding of the shops, the Celtic deal will cost Boylesports around 4m. “We are buying them out of funds, we were looking for opportunity,” he said. The company is still on the lookout. He expects the industry to shrink by another 100 shops, and anticipates more opportunities for deals among the smaller independents. “Another 50 to 10O shops will come available and who will want them?” He is also eyeing online expansion, this time focusing on Ireland and the UK, So far this year he has already employed about 30 people at the head office to work on the online business. Always an advocate of sharp-looking shops, Boyle has also been exploring new offerings. He recently introduced a roulette game to the shops and anticipates installing a range of virtual products, particularly if the bookmaking industry succeeds in getting the longer opening hours it is seeking. “There could be loads of other games, [such as] bingo games,” he enthused. “I have always thought betting shops would

end up like mini-casinos.”

YOUR THOUGHTS

CREATE YOUR REALITY

AND IF YOU CONTROL

YOUR MIND, YOU CAN

ACHIEVE THAT GOAL

A great source of relief is that he did not buy the UK Tote. “A few years ago, banks

were giving us €400m to go to the auction. Three different banks were giving it to us— it’s amazing isn’t it?” Surprisingly for a bookmaker, he has to be asked for his view on the maligned betting tax: “For God’s sake, we are all committed to the Exchequer. We are delighted to have funds to be able to give.” He is, though, critical of the 1% tax recently imposed on online bookmaking. Along with the rest of the industry, he says it is unfair because the government will not be able to collect from online operators based overseas. Boyle had stepped back from the top |ob at the bookmaker, but Boylesports has lost two chief executives in recent years. Daniel O’Mahony resigned in April 2009, after five years, and Boyle stepped in. Lee

Richardson resigned last August, after just six months in the job, to return to the UK

Boyle stepped in again. “Daniel did brilliant work for the company,” he said. “Lee

just didn’t settle in the country.” He is enjoying being in charge, but expects to recruit another chief executive down the line. “Whenever times are tougher is good for me,” he said. “I would be a strong swimmer, I genuinely believe I am very good at business.”

( I would agree, he has what it takes, and he misattributes what he has done himself to Quinn)

He says lie is a “super fair” boss, but has high standards and will not let anyone off

the hook. “Sometimes I look at people and say they don’t know how good they are,

like wee flowers that don’t get out to bloom. You get them into a meeting and

talk to them and you see them growing like wee flowers,” Boyle, who turns 55 this year, says he received a serious offer for the business a few years ago. “I couldn’t spend it m 50 lifetimes.” He calculates that he was probably worth around 300m at the peak, but will not venture a current estimate. “I am worth the same as everyone else,

much more than all the money ever created,” he said cheerily. “So I have a serious

value on myself.”

He is open to all possibilities down the line, including flotation and sale. “I don’t

think I make any decisions, I think life makes them for me when I am more connected

to it.” If he was not a bookmaker, he would be interested in “helping people be what they can be” through teaching mind technology. “Every Wednesday might I do a

wee meeting from7.30pm-8.30pm in Dundalk.” It’s about “relaxation with a

purpose”. His girlfriend Gloriane — he is separated from his wife — teaches with him.

On Monday nights, he meets a small group of other graduates of Tony Quinn courses. Those who criticise Quinn just do not understand how to apply his information, he says. “Most of them hadn’t been there and understood the philosophy. I got nothing but good out of it: better health, better wealth, better happiness.” Boyle’s son Liam, then 22, attended the 2002 course with him. He now has a multimillion pound bingo hall and amusement arcade business in Northern Ireland. Is he worried that some people reading his views on mind technology will consider him to be barmy? He could not care less because it has worked for him.” I have total peace of mind, all of the time.”

The life of John Boyle

Age:54

Education: St Paul’s, Bessbrook, Co

Down; ran away at 15

Family: one son and six daughters,

aged from 19 to 35

Home: Rostrevor, Co Down

Favourite book: The first book that

lit up my mind is Awareness by

Anthony de Mello

Favourite film: I like gentle films, I

don’t Like murder. I enjoyed Avatar,

pictured. The interesting part of it

was the energy. The cinema is about

the only time I cry.

WORKING DAY

A typical day is to get up and go training in the

gym. This morning I got up at 6.20 am and spent

an hour with my personal trainer before work. I

usually have a 9.30am meeting here and then I am

available for any one

who wants to talk to me.

(This was I wrote about this in 2009….

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/misattribution-john-boyles-view-of-tony-quinn/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/supplement-to-sunday-world-sunday-august-23-09/

“So I put a call through to him and look forward to see if we can meet and then publish the interview… if he replies.”

Still waiting!)

I love finding shops. Put me in a Jeep and send me on

the road. I know with in two seconds if a shop will

work.

DOWNTIME

I Love greyhound racing; I enjoy coursing; I follow

Armagh in football. I like to travel — last year I had

three months of holidays. I am going skiing again

in March; I took it up four or five years ago. I live

the dream day to day.
Here is the email forwarded to use with this pretty poor pdf.

A real copy and paste job.

—–Original Message—–
From: <goodlife@tqeduco.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 21:01:28
To: <xxxxxxxxxx@eircom.net>
Subject: John Boyle on the Educo system in the Sunday Times

Dear Good Life Club Member

This article on John Boyle from the Sunday Times is well worth reading, and passing on to your friends.

Love

Mary

Articles mentioning John Boyle:

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/summary-of-media-coverage/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/oil-slick-threatens-dublin/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/irish-independent-tony-quinn-firm-racks-up-loss-of-e1m-october-3rd-2005/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/no-comment-from-local-tony-quinn-shop-over-claims/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/anti-cult-protest-planned-for-outside-tony-quinn-seminar/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2009/01/18/profile-tony-quinn/

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2009/01/18/irish-independent-tony-quinn-firm-racks-up-loss-of-e1m/

19 Responses

  1. Another programme to “stake it all on thought power” the formula “that never fails” according to hypnotist Quinn, is not what it is cracked up to be, now is it? They planted the thoughts alright; very crafty of him to connect it to very long talks about ‘life’; the smarmy conman practiced his art over many years.

    They shared the ‘foolies’ around the covens when they got back from their seminars. The cult ‘therapists’ lapped it up; what is it that possesses them to even want to do that kind of work?

    The non-existent ‘job’, the ‘friend’ that never was; the cult ‘top brass’ paranoid reactions that too easily turned to vengeance and violence; I thank God I woke up!

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  2. “How come there is no mention there of her (Aideen Cowman) being so good at selling the seminars to people who are brought to her for more relaxation? The same is asked about Margaret Forde, Martin Forde’s wife, who has been teaching TQs courses for years?”

    Those two have been recruiting for years, not just for the very expensive seminars. It was Margaret Forde, who would have us believe that she has the qualifications to start an institute and her training acquired qualifications from the Educo cult, the, so called, institute she now advertises, who advised/hypnotised me into going to Aideen Cowman who would potentially earn the 2,000 Euro for preparing me for her ‘messiah’/god Tony.

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  3. Martin Forde says that postal requests involve Quinn working in conjunction with the requester but agreed that when a person was seriously ill, they were passive. He said that these things were the subject of much research, which would substantiate the practice.

    Is the cult still selling them? Here is a blatant example of Quinn influencing another who has no idea of what is happening; is it ok to have a sorcerer influence another’s energy system without their knowledge?

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  4. Referring to the priest’s letter commenting on the woman who stayed in one Quinn’s cults, he says: “The person in the former case has written a complete testimony of her experience and it makes fascinating and frightening reading.”

    Who took the testimony and why wasn’t it published?

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  5. John Boyle, inadvertently, gives us the evidence of proof of what is published in The Sunday Tribune. He says:

    “I don’t think I make any decisions, I think life makes them for me when I am more connected to it.” If he was not a bookmaker, he would be interested in “helping people be what they can be” through teaching mind technology. “Every Wednesday might I do a wee meeting from7.30pm-8.30pm in Dundalk.” It’s about “relaxation with a purpose”. His girlfriend Gloriane — he is separated from his wife — teaches with him.

    The Sunday Tribune “has for the first time secured tapes of what is said at these seminars and found them to be sold on a hard-sell basis. There is evidence that Quinn tells people, while under his influence at the seminars, that the best way for them to realise the life of their dreams is to sell his seminars to others.”

    You can be damned sure that Boyle does not make the decisions. Tony Quinn makes the decisions for him. Selling seminars is about regurgitating the mind controlling programmes. He is connected to IT alright, connected to Tony Quinn’s hypnotic mind-set. In fact, his thoughts are so controlled he would “be interested” in repeating the programmes ad nauseam. I sincerely hope he never makes a living from it because he would be the clone that would break down, big time. Quinn knows what he is doing; Boyle doesn’t.

    Sunday Tribune Quote: “And it can be shown that whether or not you have the finance to attend is not a problem as Quinn`s organisation can point you in the direction of someone who can lend you the money. However, Quinn`s representatives, Martin Forde and Colette Millea, say people would never be encouraged to lie to financial institutions.”

    “We know the average person can`t pull £15,000 from their back pocket,” said Forde. “What we will say to you is that you are likely to be able to pull it back very well and that will apply for promotion in a job, starting a business or expanding an existing business. Or if you decide that you can send a couple of people out, you could do that.” They also confirmed that there is an official system in place whereby people can sell seminars to others. They said, however, that only people who request to be part of the system are included. A person who has attended a seminar is urged to get others to attend subsequent ones.”

    What is said from the mouths of Forde and Millea are lies. Forde knows that “the average person” does not have that kind of money. Where does he think they get it from? I, like many others, was contacted by phone and asked whether I had borrowed the money yet and given advice on how to go about it. Every last one of us was told not to divulge what it was for; any excuse/lie to the bank would do. If there were problems we were advised what bank to go to. I, for one, refused to get a loan and the phone calls continued.

    Forde says, and this is another huge give-away in the Quinn programming: “Many people find that everything can expand if they get other people to go out [to the seminars],” said Forde. “People will be encouraged to talk about it, to actually give it away… That`s the phrase that`s used, to give it away.”

    The Tony Quinn offshore bank account expanded when people were “encouraged”/hypnotised into giving away their money.

    One has to question whether Forde and Millea are aware that people do not agree with them when they “emphatically deny any suggestion of cultish characteristics.” “We are a business operating a service. We reject that allegation entirely. As for the interview with Tony, we like people to know where Tony is, what he`s doing, what approach he`s taking and what services are operating.”

    The Sunday Tribune informs us that Quinn’s “thesis was entitled “An Investigation into the Hypnotic Effects of Hypnotic communication on the Individuals Subjective Experience of Pain”.

    Let’s get something clear, once and for all, I know that Quinn was experimenting with mind controlling techniques on seminars way back in the 1990’s. Judging from his ‘upper arm’ squeezing technique to gauge how unconscious the ‘guinea pig’ was, he was always interested in how much pressure/pain they could take when testing how deep they were in the unconscious state (and I mean unconscious).

    If Forde was honest about telling people “what he`s doing, what approach he`s taking and what services are operating” he would make it crystal clear that Quinn is a hypnotist and in the business, primarily, to subtly influence people, his goal being to make a lot of money, build his business interests and have them pay him a slice of the takings.

    He would tell them that hypnosis will make it difficult to think straight; will cause them to be highly suggestible to anything Quinn chooses to do or say to them; that there will be side effects, serious side effects that will affect their work, relationships and mental health. He would tell them that one seminar is not considered sufficient; they will be “encouraged” to go on another and another but not to worry; they can recuperate their money by getting other people to go on the AMAZING seminar that will change their lives just as it has changed their lives; He would have educoists testifying to how AMAZING they felt and how there is no-one else in the world like Tony who can make you feel so good about giving away your money. He would tell them that Quinn believes that he is the source and that any money they make will always go back to the source, that Quinn has no qualms about (allegedly) sexually seducing them or emptying their bank account.

    Now, isn’t that the truth!!!

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  6. Shame on BoyleSports for sponsoring hare coursing, a cruel bloodsport that causes fear and stress to thousands of hares torn from the wild to be used as live lures. Among the injuries suffered by hares are broken bones and dislocated hips. Witness the disgusting cruelty of coursing on the Irish Council Against Blood Sports Youtube Channel – http://www.youtube.com/icabs

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  7. Boylesports promotes and finances the sick practise of hare coursing. That nullifes and positive achievements of the outfit…

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  8. My experience with tony quinn is just HORRIBLE it is a complete waste of money.

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  9. Looks like the ex educonist is still trapped in the headlights of Tony Quinn, if they weren’t they wouldn’t be getting annoyed, I’m puzzled as to why they think they’re an ex? actually I’m not puzzled at all :)

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  10. can i ask why you remove any comments that aren’t being either critical or abusive of somebody?

    We don’t. The WordPress software has various anti-spam measures, and sometimes will remove duplicate posts that were made in quick succession.

    If you don’t want WordPress to treat your posts as spam then don’t copy&paste the same comment across threads.

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  11. can i ask why you remove any comments that aren’t being either critical or abusive of somebody? shouldn’t everybody be allowed to have there say? some people genuinely enjoyed the seminars. It isn’t a sin. It really doesn’t mean people are in “denial”. Isn’t it good to hear comments from both sides?

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  12. John Boyle is a talented business man and he was always successfully long before he met Quinn. He also had teams of good people working for him through the good times building the empire. However how many of them moved along the educo philosophy with him?? How many did you pay for Mr Boyle to attend and they did not take to it hook line and sinker like you and had to be sent home by Quinn as they were ‘asking too many hard questions’

    His children, there is a mixed up bunch, this could relate to the alcoholic past, troubles or the Armagh border or imposing of the Quinn philosophy on the young minds of his Children. The answer of course in your mind was to get them out on the seminars and free yourself of that responsibility? So seven more confused people out there?

    What he fails to mention is his big losses associated with Quinn. So how many Educo Gyms had you John? How much did you loose on them, was it in excess of a million as posted in your company accounts? A write off ? A costly mistake? And what of Imelda Farrell in all of this?

    So how many seminars did you attend John, last count you were at nine, yes that is in excess of another Million or so?

    Was this the real reasons your managers quit, well that is what they are saying public. Boyle is ga ga with Quinn so don’t want to be associated?

    So following the Quinn philosophy you have the new girl in your life 30 Years younger than you, younger than your kids? Was this prescribed by TQ as well?

    There is no one fooled by an article like this. This is the media campaign of Quinn to get ‘good news’ out in light of all the crap coming down the line on him.

    Watch out John the muck can stick!

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  13. John Boyle’s success in business, though I do not approve how it has been gained, (obtaining other peoples money through their misguided belief that they can all win by gambling) has entirely been done by himself and he has mistakenly attributed his success to Quinn.
    The whole of the Boyle family have been on seminars paid for by John, children cousins etc etc.
    How many of them are ‘successful’ financially had it not been for Daddy’s or Uncle John’s money.
    How much money has Uncle John/Daddy Boyle spent and wasted on seminars for himself and other members of his extended family?
    Who but only Quinn has benefited from all this money, receiving for such huge expense nothing more than the regurgitated philosophy of other people!?
    I can guarantee that John Boyle did not volunteer his interview to the Sunday Times.
    He was duped!
    It was a set up arranged by the cronies of Quinn to try to advertise Educo seminars to the business world and poor poor John fell victim yet again to Quinn.
    I predict that if tomorrow John Boyle and all his family were to dissasociate themselves from Quinn and Educo then his business would soar and he would reach his deserved goals.
    In fact I would even lay a bet on it !

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  14. JOHN BOYLE IS A FORCE OF NATURE – NOT QUINN

    John Boyle was and is a lifelong natural visualiser and entrepreneur – to be successful you need a number of things to line up

    MOTIVATION – AS IN DESIRE
    ENERGY – AS IN STAMINA
    STRAIGHTFORWARD MENTAL PROCESSING – NO INHIBITIONS ON DESIRES
    GUTS – AS IN COURAGE

    These qualities have been identified in many studies as being present in successful entrepreneurs. They also have little concept of failure and do not spend time blaming themselves, going on to the next thing with unhindered energy.

    At 14 Boyle got his motivation – the affluent, energetic lifestyle based around sports and taking money from people who are part seeking a quick road to riches without giving anything in exchange i.e. betting punters, who seem to have much in common with some Educo customers.

    At 15, he showed his energy and guts by running away and living independently, working at whatever he could get. Contrast this with the history of Quinn, who stayed living at home with his Mammy doting on him until he went to live in various communal households where doting women followers and drone men keep him in cotton wool, feeding him duck eggs etc.

    Boyle’s first venture was funded by his father, not by some mysterious “force within” – this is a very common start for successful entrepreneurs – very few make it to riches from actual rags, most have some kind of support that gives them their first jumping-off point, this is usually either family or some kind of patron. Presumably he paid his father back his loans, which makes his original supporter more fortunate than Quinn’s. Quinn got his start by taking over yoga classes started by a woman he knew, who ended up with nothing out of it, except a lot of disappointment.

    It’s a cliche that the first million is the hardest – with a 90million turnover when he first heard of Quinn, Boyle was well past that stage. Hearing something named when you’re already doing it is often a great experience and leaves you praising the person who gives it a name, more than they deserve. Boyle could afford the Quinn fees – it’s nice for him to be welcomed, flattered, given health drinks and trained. It seems he is not on the monkey nuts and cream diet recommended for beauty queens.

    His actual business philosophy is nothing like Quinn’s – apparently he believes in encouraging his employees to make the most of their talents, in treating them fairly, in being a resident in his native country and paying his taxes – none of which Quinn does. Quinn’s “employees” in the health shops are paid buttons, go nowhere career-wise and Quinn is a tax exile and contributes nothing to the Exchequer.

    It’s even possible that Boyle has made more from Quinn’s followers than he’s paid out in fees – one of Quinn’s longest-standing “close associates”, a survivor of the various burned-out redundant vehicles of Quinn’s career – i.e. Yoga, Blueprint, Educo and the latest model still jolting along the road, Good Life Club, was in court a while back – he testified under oath that despite 35 years of Quinn’s teachings, he was a gambling addict and had no assets to pay the monies he was being sued for.

    Perhaps John Boyle could give him some advice?

    Alex

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  15. Oh well said I agree entirely. We all at sometime in our lives make mistakes. I would say it makes us stronger and WISER for the next time. Tony Quinn won’t see a penny of my money ever again.

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  16. John Boyle is a gentleman and has proved he is also very successful in business.
    He obviously benefited from the seminars he was on as I did, the cost of the seminars wasn’t as big a factor for him as me so he didn’t have the added pressure of trying to repay loans like I had.
    Most of the information obtained on the seminar was very good although there is nothing new, Tony has just taken it from others and made it look like it was all his wisdom, most of us fell for it.

    The reason I am not a follower anymore is because Quinn has been exposed as a fraud and doesnt care about anyone except him self. I am lucky that because I got screwed by him and his organisation I saw them for what they are, there are a lot of people who are being screwed and dont know it yet.

    I would love to ask John why the Educogyms didn’t work for him if it was only about wrapping his mind round the goal.

    I think John should take credit for what he did and not fool people into thinking Quinn should get the credit but then knowing Quinn, I am sure he looked for it.
    Quinn should also take the credit for Tina Fearon and Glen O’Callaghan not to mention fucking up BNE.

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  17. I agree you can wrap whatever the f*** you like around your thoughts. When the cowboys ride into town its time to saddle your own horse and get to f*** outa here.

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  18. This man comes on blowing his trumpet about TQ. I dont see or hear anybody else doing likewise. I know dozens who blew good money going on seminars. By going on a seminar you act in haste and as time slips by you can repent at your leisure and quietly curse how you got sucked in with false promises. Ah yes false promises somewhere in the good book it says Beware the false gods bearing false stories. Educo is a great big lie.

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  19. ay right sure isnt life just great. Sit back and let it just roll in. What a load of f****** TQ shite.

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