The College of Psychiatry of Ireland invites Dialogue Ireland to their AGM 28.1.10

In 2007 the Director of Dialogue Ireland was giving a lecture at the Mind Body Spirit Festival – RDS Dublin

PSYCHIATRY: AN INDUSTRY OF DEATH EXHIBITION

Mind Body Spirit Festival – RDS Dublin

27th, 28th & 29th October 2007

Entitled: “Scientology- The Psychology of Totalism.”

See his report and comments after the event. These will be posted separately.

Mind Body Spirit Psychiatry an Industry of Death

Following this event the Director contacted a leading Psychiatrist in Ireland who recommended him contacting the College of Psychiatry in Ireland. The result was their committee invited us to help them look at the role of anti-psychiatry in Scientology. We readily accepted this invitation and Dialogue Ireland’s Scientology Consultant Matthew McKenna gave a very scientific and well illustrated lecture which we reference at the bottom of the post. It is an insightful, and scholarly description of how Scientology attempts to destroy Psychiatry. This is not about the abuses of this discipline, but about the strategy at the heart of L.R Hubbard’s philosophy and hatred of this science.

The Director of Dialogue Ireland made the point that this would only be the beginning of a relationship with  the College of Psychiatry of Ireland and their awareness of cultist groups and their potentially very negative impact on mental health.  Mike Garde made the point we are available to give any information to psychiatrists which may assist them with their clients.  It’s not only Hubbard that vilifies psychiatry but cult leaders generally, for various reasons; including their own serious psychopathologies and sociopathies oppose any system that might identify them as sociopaths.  They usually violently oppose mental health systems and ideas different from their own theories and methods and as their warped and abusive methods send so many of their followers into mental health deterioration and decline, it’s no wonder that they are so hostile to any methods that point out the destructive effects of their methods and can produce evidence of cases sent into psychiatric breakdown and other serious mental disturbances.  We know of many cases from Scientology, Tony Quinn, a variety of “Buddhist” groups functioning in Ireland, not to mention the whole area unregulated therapy, New Age and Next Age practitioners that are evidence of this.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/category/therapy-groups/

Naturally there are the victims of cultist tendencies and attitudes in the banking, political and sports arenas who need the specific support to overcome the extreme conditioning and the processes that result. In Quinn’s case, we know that not only were many individuals sent into serious mental and physical ill-health by his warped methods (his “breaking down the personality”, etc.) there were plenty of psychiatric breakdowns that he then attempted to “heal” by his methods, thus further denying them the help they required.  Psychiatry and all systems that he saw as unacceptable or completely inferior to his methods were rejected. When his methods were unsuccessful in every known case (and made them much worse) these individuals were dumped as casualties for whom he took no responsibility and denied any involvement.  No wonder such cult leaders are so extremely hostile to psychiatry and therapies that could expose and criticise their methods and detail the casualties.

The College might welcome a talk on “Cultist Groups and the Effects on Mental Health” (or similar title) covering topics such as cult mind-influencing techniques, their potential destructive effects, how to recognise the signs, how to help individuals and families recognise and face the issues, how to advise and refer to DI for particular information and help, etc., etc. In this regard the Director noted the court case taken by a former member of Quinn’s group in regard to undue influence, sexual assault and battery. For obvious reasons this has raised a very important issue of brainwashing.  Not the simplistic notion of cause and effect, mental zombies but understanding the processes that lead to the loss of independence and causality. Naturally, we can’t comment on the case, but the director is dealing with a number of women who have explained how they participated in what is a form of Crowleyian sex magic. In one case the issues have remained unresolved for 37 years.

He suggested that an expert in the field Dr John Butler might be invited to come to address the College at a later date. In the meantime Dr Butler’s lecture from November 07 might be a help to psychiatrists:

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/%E2%80%98the-mind-benders%E2%80%99-conference-2007/

College of Psychiatry of Ireland

Programme for AGM 28-1-2010 TO PRINT

web:  www.irishpsychiatry.ie

 

Annual General Meeting & Programme

 

Thursday 28th January 2010

The Radisson Blu Royal Hotel, Golden Lane, Dublin 8

_____________________________________

 

Academic Session:      1 CPD point

13.30 – 14.00   Lunch and refreshments on arrival

14.00 – 15.00 The Phenomenon of Anti-Psychiatry

Mr Mike Garde, Director,  Dialogue Ireland Trust

Mr Matthew McKenna, Consultant to Dialogue Ireland

15.00 – 15.30    Tea/coffee Break

15.30 – 16.00   Awards Ceremony

CPD Awards of Good Standing

16.00 – 17.00               AGM

 

Anti-Psychiatry in Scientology

cchrtalk

A Brief Fact Sheet

How does Scientology regard psychiatry?

 

Scientology regards psychiatry as a dangerous ineffective

pseudoscience. The founder of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard,

considered all psychiatrists to be criminals, and this attitude is

reflected in the Scientology books and lectures. The Code of a

Scientologist specifies that all Scientologists pledge to “expose and

help abolish any and all physically damaging practices in the field

of mental health”. Given the Scientology position on this matter,

this is pledging opposition to the field of psychiatry.

 

How does Scientology spread its anti-psychiatry message?

 

Scientology often spreads its message through its front group, the

Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR). By appealing to

the concept of ‘human rights’, and by downplaying the connection

to Scientology, it is hoped a wider audience for their message can

be achieved.

 

What is Scientology’s anti-psychiatry message?

 

Initially topics like corporate greed and the drugging of children are

used before the more conspiratorial claims are introduced. Claims

ranging from ‘psychiatry caused the holocaust’ to ‘psychiatry is

responsible for increased crime rates’, combined with shocking

imagery, are used in an attempt to scaremonger against

psychiatry. The centrepiece of the CCHR materials remains their

‘Psychiatry: An Industry of Death’ documentary and exhibit.

The CCHR documentaries:

‘Psychiatry:An Industry of Death’,

‘Making a Killing’ and ‘The Marketing of Madness’.

Additional information and background to the talk

is available from:

http://www.dialogueireland.org/cchr/

8 Responses

  1. Just to let you know what kind of dialogue Rigpa promotes:

    3rd International Forum Buddhism and Medicine

    Meditation and Health:
    the therapeutic benefits of meditation in modern life

    2-3 October 2010

    Open to all

    http://www.lerabling.org/index.php/lang-en/programme-and-retreats/main-events/2-3-october-3rd-international-forum-buddhism-and-medicine

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  2. The issue raised here by DI seems to be about the groups that operate in a cultist manner not about the mainstream philosophies or religions, none of which that I know of opposes Western psychiatry or Western therapy systems. One of the characteristics of several cultist groups as mentioned here is the rejection of psychiatry, therapy or sometimes medical treatment in cases where this would be valuable or vital to the sufferer. I haven’t seen that anyone has made a claim against Rigpa in this regard. Scientology (now claiming to be a religion), the Tony Quinn cult and certain “New Age”-type organisations and cults often claiming themselves to be New Religious Movements (NRMs) (presumably to claim “religious freedom” for often abusive methods and avoid in-depth scrutiny) are known to have adopted this approach with members of their organisations, sometimes privately and sometimes publicly as with Scientology.

    Doubtless, Buddha himself and most of his followers wouldn’t have a problem with Western science and therapy. I have encountered a few (rogue) teachers in Buddhism and a lot more in certain NRMs that have damaged their students by their dismissive or hostile attitude to psychiatric help for students who developed serious mental problems and could have been helped by this system. These obviously are the small minority of teachers (and students). No system of philosophy or religion is without its rogue teachers / members. I doubt if Jesus would recognize many who claim to be Christians to be practicing what he advocated. As Carl Jung said “thank God I’m not a Jungian”

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  3. This stuff really shows me your intentions on this site.

    Your intention is not to make scientific or trustforthy research on different subjects. Your intention seems to be slander about what ever group that you happen to stumble into.

    If you were really serious (like the other one claims to have graduated from some ‘university’), you would do a better job. Visit the real world once in a while.

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  4. tony meman, do you happen to be a Chinese official? No lamas nor Buddhism force people into anything. It’s a free choice to believe or not to believe fundamentally. That is even Buddhas teaching: do not believe my word, find out for yourself.

    It’s the Chinese communism and the males under that hierarchical system that forbid people of free thinking, internet, they beat people up and put them to jail etc. Those are NOT Buddhist ideals. If you want to destroy the rest of planet by giving 6-10 miljard Chinese a car and a frigde, then be my guest. Tibetan Buddhism was never supporting the environmental chatastrophy we are facing now.

    Ella, why this article is posted on the site about Rigpa if it’s about other Buddhist groups? Which Buddhist groups have not supported therapy? I’m interested in knowing.

    (I know of a few Hindu based rip-of-westerners groups established by an Indian ‘goddess’ that don’t support therapy. In my country those groups are classified under ‘dangerous cults’. No Buddhist group has ever made it to that list.)

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  5. Doubtless there are Buddhist teachers in Ireland and elsewhere that do not damage their students’ mental health or oppose psychiatry for all the wrong reasons. It’s undeniable that from Dialogue Ireland’s experience that there have been other Buddhist teachers where this has not been the case as mentioned in the article. Without taking a case by case basis, readers can make their own judgements of specific teachers not only from their writings and the supportive literature from psychologists about the benefits of meditative practice but also from an in-depth research into the internal operations of the group and its teachings. It’s up to the “consumer” to be aware of the pros and cons.

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  6. “Do you know that many Tibetan lamas say that Western people are quite often not suited to Buddhist practice because the culture is not very conducive and supporting?”

    Look up the history of Tibet. The Tibetian lamas subjugated the people of Tibet into virtual slavery; so much so that the absorption of Tibet by China has actually substantially improved their standard of living. Given that, I do not trust their assessment of what “loving and supportive” constitutes.

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  8. DI wrote: “It’s not only Hubbard that vilifies psychiatry but cult leaders generally, for various reasons; including their own serious psychopathologies and sociopathies oppose any system that might identify them as sociopaths. They usually violently oppose mental health systems and ideas different from their own theories and methods and as their warped and abusive methods send so many of their followers into mental health deterioration and decline, it’s no wonder that they are so hostile to any methods that point out the destructive effects of their methods and can produce evidence of cases sent into psychiatric breakdown and other serious mental disturbances. We know of many cases from Scientology, Tony Quinn, a variety of “Buddhist” groups functioning in Ireland, not to mention the whole area unregulated therapy, New Age and Next Age practitioners that are evidence of this.”

    Well, I must ask myself again what do you know about Rigpa? Did you know that many psychologists work in Rigpa? Do you know that Sogyal Rinpoche supports strongly Western psychotherapy as help? Do you know that many Tibetan lamas say that Western people are quite often not suited to Buddhist practice because the culture is not very conducive and supporting? They honestly have often said that Buddhist practice is not therapy and people often should first seek psychiatric help for their problems before engaging in serious Buddhist practice in the form of retereats that last weeks or months? Buddhist practice is not replacement for therapy nor it is against therapy. One can use the bith methods side by side.

    Do you happen to know that Buddhist teachers are VERY open to Western science too? Do you know that Western scientists have made reseach on meditation and its effect on different parts of brain?

    Please read: Joy of Living by Minguyr Rinpoche

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