“Quinn’s Philosophy” Post 100

“Quinn’s Philosophy” Post 100

Quinn

Let’s keep it Accurate
Feels that our correspondent does not grasp Quinn’s  perspective accurately. He quotes a small section from it found below. Under his post we have an excellent

Article by Fr Louis Hughes OP which really dissects Quinn’s view. It should be read in full.

However, it is clear that Let’s keep it Accurate does not see that that Quinn is an impersonalist, as life is not the infinite personal God revealed in Jesus Christ, but IT, the Infinite, impersonal plus time and chance. Quinn though using the rhetoric of the East is really into the New Age category of the power of Positive Thinking.

Also as we wrote a few months ago because Quinn has confused himself with the New Age Christ- Aquarian Christ. He stands in the place of God, so God can’t be God. Quinn is on the throne. When God is not the One, IT takes over.

“Quinn’s philosophy, in essence, proposes an “energy” that man should direct according to his own perceived needs with only a lip service or minimal consideration at best paid to Divine Authority which man must constantly submit to rather than the directions of his ego.”

My understanding from doing a seminar and going to Sunday meetings (a lot of which Quinn attended.) was rather different. He explicitly talked a lot about “Life” which was he way of referring to God. Whilst he would talk about “programming” which is getting Life to carry out the will of the ego; he was very clear that the ultimate way of living was to be open to Life and to get its guidance. “Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and everything else will be given you,” was a quotation he’d use to illustrate this point. Furthermore his work involved clearing the programming of the ego in order to allow Life to be free to express itself and the individual “clear” enough to be aware of its guidance. This meant that the person concerned was then able to follow their spiritual path rather than that of their ego.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/tony-quinn%E2%80%99s-popular-yoga-louis-hughes-op-lecture-5-2431999/

Spiritual manipulation and damage

Quinn’s philosophy, in essence, proposes an “energy” that man should direct according to his own perceived needs with only a lip service or minimal consideration at best paid to Divine Authority which man must constantly submit to rather than the directions of his ego. Quinn’s philosophy conflicts markedly with all major religions on this and many key points regarding man’s relationship with a Universal and Personal Deity and has only superficial resemblance to key spiritual traditions. It is actually closer to the opposite pole of spiritual activity – the dark side – in its aggrandizement of the self or ego and the pursuit of temporal power. The infamous black magician, occultist and “sex magic” practitioner, Aleister Crowley, summed up the dark pole honestly at least “Do what thou wilt, this is the whole of The Law”.

Quinn’s “meditation” has, according to himself, told him how he can avoid the “mistakes” of Jesus and convert the world to the true philosophy of life. This shows signs of serious mental dysfunction and sociopathic delusions of grandeur that permit him to dominate the minds of others as a superior being, according to his philosophy. Many leaked documents show the inner side of the cult where Quinn exhorts his devotees as “soldiers” in his army which he claims has reincarnated with him from Atlantean times to “convert” the world. Many written and audio records of Quinn’s classes show the bizarre ideas at the centre of the cult while those on the outer circles of Quinn’s group may have little idea about this at the early stages of their involvement. It is only later often when it is very difficult for a member to extricate themselves that people find out what is at the centre of the destructive cult. Luckily the cult often leaks like a sieve and many have finally told their stories even though they may still be frightened of psychic attacks by Quinn or Divine Retribution as Quinn claims will strike them if they go against him. The vitriolic personal attacks and harassment that Quinn orchestrates often fail to stop the victims speaking out once they have overcome their shame and guilt about all that has happened and when they confront their fears of Quinn.

Quinn’s philosophy as un-Christian – elevates status of the self and pursuit of money and material possessions to levels that are incompatible with and conflict with the teachings of Jesus – humility, personal sacrifice, altruistic love, spiritual cultivation, de-emphasising of pursuit of money and material goods (includes multiple cars, yacht, properties, etc. etc) for personal possession other than needed for genuine spiritual growth, and many other amjor differences. In Christian teachings Jesus strongly warns his disciples against the many false messiahs and warns that “by their fruits ye shall know them”.

Quinn’s philosophy as anti-Christian – Quinn’s claims to the inner circle that he was Jesus Christ in a former incarnation. Reported by film-maker Jim Sheridan and available in Dialogue Ireland archives on website as well as reported by numerous ex-devotees. Laughable to an aetheist and unacceptable to a Christian who holds to the truths of the standard gospels and other key Christian texts. Quinn’s claims to be the Messiah also directly contradict many unofficial spiritual gospels – Aquarian gospel, etc.

Completely contradicts gospel records of Jesus’ own prophecy of the Second Coming – that he will reappear on Earth using spiritual power and will not be born through mortal mankind –

“They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.“ Matthew 24:1-34, Mark 13:1-30, Luke 21:5-32

5 Responses

  1. Thanks Angie will deal with it later

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  2. The troll of H of P is very busy today.

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  3. Disappointed Educoist; Above excellent posts you may want to read. They point out, in no uncertain terms, Quinn’s persusive use of religious beliefs to bind his ‘devotees’ to the belief of ‘making this a better place’ etc., Worth reading.

    The IT is the EGO and ‘getting IT/LIFE to carry out the will of the ego’ is, basically, what he does. Many of us, the vast majority I would say, don’t have the ego of a sociopath, so have no desire to empower ourselves at the expense of others.

    Will ‘Moses’ lead them out of the desert and away from their adoration of the socipathic false prophet? It doesn’t look like it.

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  4. Submission to God’s will is not a popular phrase these days – possibly because most of us first encountered it from the mouths of adults – and God’s will sounded suspiciously like their will most of the time.

    The transcendental concept of a universal life force is more attractive than some sort of super-parent whom we are supposed to obey, but Quinn represents the life force as some kind of treasure chest to be randomly raided by anyone who gets the “secret” key from him.

    The facts are that the concept of a universal life force is at the core of many great teachings – Tao and Yoga included. Along with this concept is the teaching that those individuals who follow a purifying, liberating and strengthening inner path can access this force directly to obtain freedom from fears and limitations, including poverty and ill-health. This is crudely, crassly and inaccurately interpreted by the ludicrous Quinn as using the life force to accumulate material wealth and attain endless physical vigour. The example of the life of Jesus shows a man who is free from fear of anything and anyone, including material want and even death, not a man obsessed with greed and gathering material possessions and indulging every expense and whim to retain (unsuccessfully) a youthful and vigorous appearance. Jesus has supreme inner confidence, that whatever circumstances arise he will come up with a response to this, he will never be trapped in fear, not even on the Cross, where he rises above his enemies and gives them his forgiveness, from his great understanding of their small and fearful minds, “they know not what they do”. That is true wealth and strength. Did he have bodyguards, shut people out of meetings, gang up on them and persecute them to avoid facing questions, hack into their message systems, tell his followers that his enemies should be assassinated? These are the actions of a coward.

    Jesus gave us two commandments: Love God and Love your Neighbour as Yourself. He also gave us a test to apply to any prophet, to tell the false from the true, “By their fruits you will know them”. How does Quinn setting up a system of pyramid selling so that his followers are tempted by the prospect of profit to persuade people to pay huge sums and incur debts, fit in with the law of loving your neighbour as yourself? How does charging vast sums for plagiarised positive thinking and visualisation systems that are obtainable in much more effective, intelligent and intelligible forms free from many sources on the internet (try http://www.scienceofgettingrich.net) or in very reasonably priced and readily available books, accord with loving your neighbour as yourself? How does plundering a third world country of its natural resources, so that the oil can be burned as part of our society’s scandalous waste of this precious and limited fuel, accord with loving God and appreciating and respecting the world that we have been given as a priceless gift?

    It’s embarrassing to admit that we knew nothing of the basic science of thought which has been available to the lucky few in our society for over a century, but the directed and constructive use of thought is still not taught in our schools or in society generally. It’s embarrassing to admit that because of our ignorance we were sold a second-hand, warped and often damaging version of this science and paid over the odds for it because we didn’t know better. It’s painful to realise that we were seduced and behaved in greedy and corrupt ways because we ran with the wrong crowd and were impressed by a con man. Fortunately, Jesus has a teaching for us here as well, in the beautiful parable of the Prodigal Son. Forgiveness and recovery are possible. Be honest. Admit your mistakes, particularly to yourself, regret them, avoid denials and attempts to falsely understate and justify wrongdoings, do what you can to repair any damage you may have done to others and yourself, remain ready to repair in future any damage you cannot repair now, and be wiser and kinder to yourself and your neighbours in the future. That is true wealth and strength.

    May God bless you.

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  5. There is often a major difference between what a person states and what he really believes and therefore practices. Quinn does use the words “energy”, “force”, “life” (with or without the capitals) it seems interchangeably and it is not clear from many points of view what exactly he is referring to other than a general sense of a “spiritual” force. In spirit and emotion, it doesn’t seem to be very similar to “The Father” that Jesus taught, submitted to and eventually died in obedience to. Unlike Quinn, it doesn’t sound like Jesus was “programming” the “Life Force” or God for material “success”. Many have reported that references to genuine spiritual matters were given a minor place in the modern Educo seminars and it seems even less of a place as the years have gone by. Linking his philosophy to teaching of Jesus may be little more than a marketing tool or partially believed but actions speak louder than words in all cases. Getting himself tied up in knots in his feeble word play and leaving others to try and explain his teachings and actions is what Quinn has done for almost 40 years.

    You commented:
    My understanding from doing a seminar and going to Sunday meetings (a lot of which Quinn attended.) was rather different. He explicitly talked a lot about “Life” which was he way of referring to God.

    Was your experience really different and in what way or degree? Nobody disputes that Quinn “talks” about Life so this is not an issue here. Quinn noticeably doesn’t often use the word God but chooses the word Life (potentially more vague and flexible depending on its usage) much more often. Quinn’s understanding of Life or God is seen by many spiritually-minded people to not be very close to the views of major religions or spiritual traditions on key points. Quinn’s version of God is EXACTLY the issue here. The article by Sam reflects Quinn’s focus on directing the “energy” or “life” to fulfil the will of the ego exactly as you say. How is this, in itself, compatible with the concept of God directing one’s life, other than very superficially, if at all? In the strict sense it’s not possible to be guided by Life while at the same time “getting Life to carry out the will of the ego” which is a core part of Quinn’s philosophy. Some have said it’s THE core of his philosophy and the rest is minimal or non-existent, especially in practice.

    You can’t have it both ways which is the crux of the matter and which is neatly raised in Sam’s article. Playing with or getting confused by the inherent flexibility of words does not address the issues. Although a spiritually-minded person could accept the idea of constant progress/ evolution/ improvement of the ego towards being directed by the spirit, the concept of the ego “getting Life to carry out the will of the ego” through “programming” or other means seems inconsistent and misleading at best and at worst a downright ‘suit / direct yourself’ philosophy. This point was raised in Sam’s article that the idea of a genuine submission to a Supreme Being was only lip service or minimal in reality in Quinn’s philosophy.

    Whilst he would talk about “programming” which is getting Life to carry out the will of the ego; he was very clear that the ultimate way of living was to be open to Life and to get its guidance. “Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and everything else will be given you,” was a quotation he’d use to illustrate this point.

    If Quinn truly believes that “the ultimate way of living was to be “open” to Life and to get its guidance” why emphasise so much, as indeed he does, all of the directing the energy for “success”. It sounds quite hypocritical then to quote “Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and everything else will be given you,” if the ego is already such a driving force in Quinn’s phiolsophy and becoming all the more so through “programming” and directing the “energy”. It’s for such confusions, inconsistencies and, arguably, downright misleading errors in interpreting spiritual philosophies, that many spiritually-minded people and many religious experts have rejected Quinn’s system over the last 40 years. It may also explain the lack of results experienced by many followers over the years and the unspiritual behaviour of Quinn and some of his close associates. Doubtless there are well-intentioned and benevolent people who are sucked into Quinn’s world but many of these see the inconsistencies and leave.

    Furthermore his work involved clearing the programming of the ego in order to allow Life to be free to express itself and the individual “clear” enough to be aware of its guidance.

    Who is directing the “clearing” of the programming of the ego is the next problem and exactly how is this being achieved?. Is it by more “programming”?. Is it the ego of the individual or as many report Quinn directing the egos of others to “clear” / programme / deprogramme their egos so that “Life” can be free to express itself?. How exactly and in what way is the individual “clear” enough to be aware of its (Life) guidance as a result of this programming/ clearing? None of this is “clear” in itself but then neither is Quinn’s overall rambling philosophy which, by the way, he never discusses in a public debate but leaves it to others to “explain” what he doesn’t “explain” himself. You speak of “let’s keep it accurate”, and in so doing it is incumbent on you to clearly define any real inaccuracies in meaning and to clarify the position adequately.


    This meant that the person concerned was then able to follow their spiritual path rather than that of their ego.

    With the best will in the world it’s hard to see how we have really left the ego behind as a result of what’s gone before. Simply saying that Quinn says that “clearing” (is this by more “programming”) the programming of the ego which then is supposed to get rid of the ego sufficiently to allow “clearing” of the individual and guidance by Life doesn’t enlighten us very much. The great lack of clarity in Quinn’s system regarding the nature of the ‘ego’, ‘Life’ and the nature of the spiritual path and the gulf between what is implied by the use of such terms and the behaviours of Quinn and his culture of “get rich (quick) by using the Life-Force” are key points raised in Sam’s post. You don’t deal with these substantive issues while claiming “let’s keep it accurate” .

    Metaphysical platitudes or sub-spiritual “slush” and Quinn’s vague, inconsistent, half-baked, second-hand (claimed as original) ideas don’t come close to describing a spiritual journey of the “straight and narrow path” as Jesus and other spiritual teachers have described. There are many worthwhile descriptions of the requirements of the spiritual life in many spiritual traditions but I feel Quinn’s description doesn’t come remotely close to any of these. The main religions and spiritual philosophies propose a meaningful system of meditative practice, prayer, repentance and other spiritual practices aimed at transcending and mastering the ego and describe in depth concepts such as Divine Grace which as Sam’s article summarises have been omitted from Quinn’s “religion” and largely replaced by a fantasy world of Atlantean armies reincarnated under the direction of Quinn, the self-proclaimed reincarnation of Jesus Christ. The onus is on Quinn to emerge from the shadows and clarify his philosophy rather than have others attempt it for him. Let the “master” defend his own philosophy first and foremost. So far he has resolutely refused to do this.

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