So, if people are not threatened with violence – like in domestic violence scenes – then why are they scared to talk on the phone?

They feel conflicted and by the way we find this in many groups not just Rigpa. Sometimes people who contact us can take up to five years to get back to me.It is not the mechanics of using a phone but the psychological pressure of the influence they are still under even when they have left the group or are thinking of leaving. This is a very common thing in regard to the victims of sexual abuse in all kinds of groups. It can be years for these survivors to address their situation.Sometimes it is too painful to address it, for others they have to blank it in order not to be just carry on their day to day living.

If one has a real story without crazy projections then why would one be scared to TALK ON THE PHONE? The only reason that comes to my mind is that they are scared of you and don’t trust you.

I have now explained it a number of times, but you seem not to understand abuse. You do mention you were a victim but perhaps it is too long ago for you to actually feel what it is like.Obviously they trust me as they contact me on the blog or by email. They know at the rational level that they can call, but they have this sense of loyalty to the group even after all they have gone through.

This is another reason: If they are liars, then of course it’s good to be cautious when you spread out slander… it can all turn against you.

Imagine you are in an accident and emergency hospital ward, a woman comes in and claims to have been the victim of an assault. The issue is not whether she is a liar at this stage, but just trying to help her. You start from the ideological position that there can be no abuse in Rigpa, because you never saw it. You put yourself in a godlike position. I rather accept that those that report what happened are in fact not making it up. The people since 2007 who told me about the abuse implored me to ask the President not to give her blessing to that centre. I heard from the same woman againlast year. She still has not found the strength yet to have a conversation. recovery can be slow and I respect their right to privacy.

Can you think of any other reason why would they be scared to talk on the phone? They can buy a phone card or something if they don’t want to reveal their real name.

The more you write the more I sense you do not have a clue, buy a phone card, what planet are you on?

I don’t want to divert the issue. I have no interest in continuing the issue.

You obviously do as you are writing again!

Why there are children in Rigpa? Maybe because there are thousands of people and a few have families.

I get that but what is their child welfare policy and what is their vulnerable adult policy?
I do not seem to be able to get a clear answer from you?
Could you define what you mean by a vulnerable adult?

Maybe people with children in Catholic setting don’t go to church with children?

What relevance does this issue have to this discussion. As far as I am aware it is normal for all churches to have children at their churches? What point are you making or more likely what point are you not making?

I must say that there are very few children in Rigpa compared to the amount of people are involved.

Precisely my point!

What a bizarre question about children all in all. I can only imagine the content of your next post… getting pretty weird. You should check out facts of your stories. Would be healthy for all involved.

Perhaps you might check out what this means? It could be helpful to get your understanding of the policy for vulnerable adult women?
http://www.dzogchenbeara.org/index.php?pid=152

the world is not flat…

However, I do pick up the signs of influence. You are the only one to mention dogma, we suggest influence.
I do note a lack of independent thinking a kind of flat earth philososophy?

we are a beings controlled by ego controlled by others.
how is this any different.
this is not a cult its a new thing and human don’t like what they can’t see..

i feel sorry for the people who felt their life had to changed because loved ones didn’t want to understand..

i’m happy doing KS and my girlfriend doesn’t mind and even asks me about it..

spirit is eternal and there for reincarnation is a fact hidden by the ones in control of us throw power..

the world is not flat…

These interpretations clearly come from America with one purpose in mind when WANTING ‘other peoples’ money’ is sufficient reason to justify, without conscience and, in the main, is the driving forceful content of their ‘spiritual work’. It’s unbelievable really how he fools people into believing they do not provide for his personal ‘needs’ and ‘wants’ to travel to see them as, in the same breath, he talks them into providing for an aeroplane that will fly him around the world. He has deliberately led them into thinking him ‘worthy’ of such riches and their cognitive faculties, which are clearly out to lunch, are responding to his ability to entertain and manipulate their minds with his sales pitch.

Where did he get the information to ask, do “You know what God says about money? God says ‘money answereth all things’. I have never heard this biblical quote before. Can someone tell me where I can find it?

He says “God understands money… Money is valueless until it becomes a seed”. Is he saying that money is valueless unless it is used to donate to a church to save souls, or in his case, to a slick conman who, supposedly, would have us believe he had a one-to-one conversation with God and got the ok to ask the Irish people to contribute to the cost of his ‘wants’ to purchase another aeroplane?

Talking about actually achieving his goal of purchasing it he says, “But can you richly enjoy it? Can you take the heat from the church world and the secular world?” Like the ‘mucky messiah’ Quinn he wonders if he has the gall to flaunt it and whether he will get away with it.

He also says “Riches are made for use, not storage because when you start storing them you begin to trust them… I believe in saving money, not storing it.” What on earth is he on about? and then makes a liar of himself when he says “It hasn’t anything to do about money. It hasn’t anything to do about need. It has to do with what God says and God says invest $3 million towards the world of evangelism… You’re writing a cheque? If you’re writing a cheque, make it out to Jesse Duplantis Ministries.” Unbelievable!

Sling your hook Duplantis. We don’t need another psychopath in Ireland who has no conscience about using manipulative techniques to satisfy greed in the name of religion or to make fools of the Irish and drain us of our resources. The Government need to WAKE UP! Religious freedom, how are ye!

If one has a real story without crazy projections then why would one be scared to TALK ON THE PHONE? The only reason that comes to my mind is that they are scared of you and don’t trust you.

This is another reason: If they are liars, then of course it’s good to be cautious when you spread out slander… it can all turn against you.

Can you think of any other reason why would they be scared to talk on the phone? They can buy a phone card or something if they don’t want to reveal their real name.

I don’t want to divert the issue. I have no interest in continuing the issue.

Why there are children in Rigpa? Maybe because there are thousands of people and a few have families. Maybe people with children in Catholic setting don’t go to church with children?

I must say that there are very few children in Rigpa compared to the amount of people are involved. In the West Buddhism is not solely a monastic thing. Maybe that is the reason why Buddhists have children…

What a bizarre question about children all in all. I can only imagine the content of your next post… getting pretty weird. You should check out facts of your stories. Would be healthy for all involved.

I’m sorry but I don’t believe it.

Are you suggesting I am telling lies about the contacts I have received?
If you are there is no point you coming onto this site again!

Nobody in Rigpa is beating up people or threatening to kill them like in a domestic violence scene.

Note how you tried to divert from the real issue? No one claimed that people were being beaten up and it is hardly domestic violence in a public teaching context. No what we have is inappropriate grooming and the clear violation of the boundaries between teachers and students.
Perhaps you could get back to me around the issue of child care policies which Rigpa have in place. Why do they have a lot of children there? I have asked you twice?
They also mention vulnerable adults, could you forward us these policies?

I’m sorry but I don’t believe it. Nobody in Rigpa is beating up people or threatening to kill them like in a domestic violence scene. Rigpa is not a crazy place…

Your comment reminds me of the 60’s, man, when cults started to proliferate in a world of psychedelic drugs; when getting spaced out on fantasies of ‘freedom’ with money hungry gurus telling you that “Society, after all is an illusion” became the cliché to ‘drop out’ and get ‘stoned’ on ‘energy’ or whatever drug was available; ‘love’ gave the go ahead for sexual promiscuity and ‘peace’ depended on what drug you took. In the present it has more to do with being in a trance state brought about by hypnosis and other mind-bending techniques that bring about the feelings/illusions of ‘love’ ‘peace’ and ‘freedom’ and leaves the mind wide open to dangerous cultic influence.

You say:

“Have we not moved into an Age of Enlightenment where everyone should be allowed to have their own free will and not live in a fear based society?” and

“The term, ‘brainwashing’ is totally right though. After all, none of us got that in the educational system or the Bible or mass media did we? ;)”

So you ARE aware of cultic influences and choosing to ignore the disruptive heart-breaking and debilitating effects they cause? The many posts and comments are the results and yet you think that people should have the ‘freedom’ to choose which cult they decide on and to hell with the consequences that it’s all about ‘change’? The ILLUSION you are under is that the “Age of Enlightenment” offers ‘free will’ and so we will “not live in a fear based society”. Rather than living in airy fairy land I suggest you reflect on posts and comments that point to the REAL consequences of listening to the likes of Anna Hayes or Gudni Gudnesen or Tony Quinn and the list goes on.

People like Anna Hayes operate in a way that “would cause the person to have a complete division between reality and their perception.” This type of meddling with the human mind can have catastrophic effects.

The sad reality is, the unsuspecting are guinea pigs and I suspect NASA and the CIA, whether they attend or not, are very interested in the effect Hayes is having on the people who attend these seminars. It begs the question of whether they think it convenient to let the so called ‘enlightened’ do the dirty work rather than soil their own hands and cause an uproar towards government bodies as has happened in the past.

Your illusory clichés come from the fog in your mind that blinds you to the reality of the hurt and damage inflicted on people who get drawn into money grabbing cults. The ‘changes’ you see as inevitable can trigger mental illness and families are left high and dry to suffer the loss of their loved ones. I would not class you as ‘enlightened’ or intelligent and definitely cult influenced.

Have we not moved into an Age of Enlightenment where everyone should be allowed to have their own free will and not live in a fear based society? Society, after all is an illusion like so much out there and truths globally are starting to emerge a lot in 2013.

I’m familiar with E’Asha’s prolific body of work. People from all over the world from all walks of life attend her talks including members from NASA and the CIA.

The term, ‘brainwashing’ is totally right though. After all, none of us got that in the educational system or the Bible or mass media did we? ;)

What I have noticed about the people who do this work is that most of them have been involved in some form of healing, be it Reiki, Medicine, Psychology, Nursing, Wicca, Shamanism, the list goes on.

I think it’s pretty ignorant for those of you to imply that anyone who follows Keylontic Science etc, is closed and stops questioning things. It’s just that their perception and consciousness has changed and everyone should be allowed to think what they like surely, they are called ‘Freedom Teachings’! I think the issue here is that they question more and challenge convention more and that scares a lot of you as you’re not ready to hear it. They don’t however, enforce their will on anyone as that’s not in alignment with Source.

As for comments about people changing after finding this work, everything in life is a flux, nothing can stay the same, that’s a basic principle I studied in school at 15 or was I brainwashed?! Everything is changing constantly out there in the Universe so why not here, we are a part of it after all.
Of course everything changes, you are changing too whether you like it or not and after all we are all mirrors of each other…

As for relationships well, everyone has a contract with another being. I will admit that this work is a catalyst but surely that’s better than dragging something out for another 10 years only to find you weren’t happy in the first place? Ultimately, that will help everyone realign with whatever path they’re meant to be on. The contract might be to have children with them etc. but all contracts in life have a natural cycle and come to an end at some point. Some manifest as death which so isn’t the end, and some people just start to resonate with different energies as they have work to do with them.

The basic principle here is to do good to one another and be truthful and honest with yourself and your feelings and to let go of ego. Who wants to reincarnate again until we get it right but that’s a whole other Karmic conversation.
If everyone follows some really simple divine laws we and the earth would all be in a much happier place. Simples :)
If you aren’t blissfully happy right now, maybe there’s something you need to change in you? It’s a journey after all, make it a good one.

With love, light and abundance x

His Business Success (or lack thereof):
We were led to believe that several business have been highly successful because they are using the Educo business system. Quinn has brought people up on stage showcasing their business as an example of his/Educo success. If that’s all the information I went on, I’d be going away thinking that these businesses were highly successful largely due to Quinn’s system. However I found months later that some of these businesses had later gone bust. I didn’t hear Quinn update us at the next Sunday meeting that these highly “successful” business had gone bust, along with teaching us what part of his system needs to be adjusted to help ensure other businesses following his success system didn’t fail. It also brings up the question of why businesses he a significant shareholder in, and apparently should be highly successful, would fail at all. In the recent court case involving the oil company, Judge Bannister who was not under any hypnosis to Quinn, could only summarise the amazing business system as “no more than advice to promote better employees in preference to inferior ones.”

Scientifically proven business success:
The results of this Scientifically Proven Business Success came from questionnaires we were asked to fill out on one of the Sunday seminars in the early 2000’s when the country was in an extended boom. We would have been listening to him talk for hours about being successful etc and then with everybody in a high and hyped mood we filled these out. I forget the figures I used but I remember in the moment I filled out the results in the most positive, possible terms, using gains I hadn’t yet realised. I’ve spoken to other people who admitted to me that they exaggerated the results they put down. It’s an understandable thing to do in this hyped environment where you’ll feel like a loser if you’re not oozing success. If accountants and auditors evaluated the bank accounts and investment returns of each person who filled out these questionnaires, I’d be surprised if they differed much from the national average. From my own observations of the people involved and the circumstances in which the results were written down, I don’t in any way believe this business success is “scientifically proven”, although I don’t see Tony looking for any scientific independent testing to revalidate the results people wrote down that day (or the results Quinn claimed they wrote down).

I don’t care about this site anymore, so I don’t care if I’m in the spillover thread or in the Queen’s Palace

Well there is little on it at present. I will give you something to write about soon. Just busy/

Thank you DI anyway for the time here, since I’ve learned a lot. It’s been an eye opening in many ways..

It was a pleasure to have you on board even if we did not agree.
Are you asking me about the proxy or who? No, I don’t feel that threatened to use it. Maybe some day I will learn to use it: could be useful since I tend to talk too directly, even online.

The proxy referred to here is not someone taking your place but what Sheila did namely trying to pretend to be a different person by having their IP address concealed. As you know the Sheila was caught out doing that. I know where you live and can tell whether you are at it. I was asking as the person who I challenged used your arguments and I was trying to see if you were using a proxy.

But, as you can see, there are a few people in the universe who may agree with me to some extent. Don’t you wonder why so few Irish people from Rigpa write here? I do. Seems like only a few foreigners want to write here.

Did you have any comments to make about:
The reason is very similar to your situation. In your country if people knew you were commenting they would get who it was. Here Ireland everyone knows everyone and specially in West Cork. Also very few people are aware of SR and so he does not have great scrutiny. I have had individual Irish women contact me but they are too afraid to even talk on the phone.
Have a look at their child protection policies? Do they have a lot of kids there?
Also what is a vulnerable adult according to your definition?
They mention they have a policy where is it!!!

Thank you DI anyway for the time here, since I’ve learned a lot. It’s been an eye opening in many ways.

Are you asking me about the proxy or who? No, I don’t feel that threatened to use it. Maybe some day I will learn to use it: could be useful since I tend to talk too directly, even online.

But, as you can see, there are a few people in the universe who may agree with me to some extent. Don’t you wonder why so few Irish people from Rigpa write here? I do. Seems like only a few foreigners want to write here.

Now DI is amazed that it is not only me from Rigpa that thinks that these stories are weird and bothers to comment here.

Good luck DI with your campaign. I know you think you are right and you like to believe crazy stories. In a way I don’t wonder about it. I’m just wondering why such intense self-righteousness even though you don’t really know these people who complain here. Do you feel threatened by Buddhism or what?

Well, it might be for critics. But while I’m all in favour of female nudity on the
stage, I’d hate to be part of an audience watching a naked Mary. Such a display of
nudity – especially in this, her traditional month of May – violates some deep taboo,
not merely for an ex-Catholic like myself but even, apparently, for those cosmopolitan New Yorkers.

And then again at the end……..

Hence the public park in Whitechapel, and the private parts on Broadway.

By the way regardless of baring all, I enjoy your paintings on Facebook