DI’s opinion regarding this mysterious “company” is essentially to have as little as possible to do with them in the absence of clarification of who they are and what they are doing. We agreed on a strategy of persisting in attempting to obtain such information. There seems no reasonable grounds (in the absence of any other factors we can consider) to justify the non-provision of basic information about themselves and their intentions. Frankly, all this cloak and dagger activity seems such a ridiculous carry-on and waste of time. They show a lack of respect for professional dealings and boundaries – they can’t expect DI to be some kind of messenger service when it suits them. That’s not part of DI’s professional or charitable brief regarding cults. All they could reasonably expect is that DI would pass on their contact details and a basic description of what they are about to shareholders who had been in contact with DI, that it be left entirely to the shareholders as to whether they have any contact or dealings with them, and that DI would have no involvement beyond this as it has no brief to be involved in shareholders’ decisions or this company’s dealings with them.
DI has back in August provided under a general duty of care an outline of the shareholders’ rights as set out by Judge Bannister. Beyond that, it is up to the shareholders. It is clear that it is a hiding to nothing to try to communicate rationally with certain of the shareholders as they are highly fearful, often traumatised and having been financially drained by Quinn et al, very easily turn on DI as an outlet for their frustrations.
http://www.eccourts.org/judgments/decisions/2012/HC/stkitts/SMLifeVenturesvSusanMorriceetal.pdf
In the case of this company, although they state that they are performing a genuine legal function, we are extremely cautious in any dealings with them in case it ends up being twisted to use against DI. This is because of the extraordinary lengths to which Quinn and Co are prepared to go to try to trap DI in some kind of alleged conspiracy, supposedly against the oil company but also for his own advantage – the amount of money spent on “investigative security” testifies to the lengths he will go in his hate-fuelled vendetta against DI. Even if, as it currently being said, this company is a real legal or accounting firm, they could be very predatory towards the shareholders or there may be other connections with them that are not obvious and there seems to be no benefit or upside to DI‘s involvement with them as things currently stand and considering how much work has been done to try to get clarification from them.
On January 16 last in the late afternoon an email appeared in our inbox requesting contacts to the B shareholders.
Correspondence launched by someone calling themselves Eilleen Murphy acting on behalf of Don Campbell from a company unknown.
On 16/01/2013 16:56, Eilleen Murphy wrote:
Hi
We have been following your blog with great interest and we would be very keen to speak to some of the B Class shareholders who might want to take matters further.
Would it be possible for you to help us establish contact with any of them or with Miss Shelia McCaffrey?
I understand there are quite a few disgruntled B Class Shareholders and I believe we could help them.
I look forward to your reply.
Many Thanks
Eilleen
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On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Dialogue Ireland wrote:
Dear Eileen,
Great to hear from you!
May I suggest you contact me on the numbers below.
As we have no connection to the oil issue we have no real contact with the people
concerned. However, we do have contact with Ex Quinn people who are also shareholders.I would also not convey this information by email.
In confidence
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RegardsMIKE GARDE MA
On 16/01/2013 17:27, Eilleen Murphy wrote:
Hi Mike
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly.
Can I give you a ring around 9pm this evening on your mobile?
I have to pop out for tea this evening but will be free later.
Many Thanks
Eilleen
From: Dialogue Ireland
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:52:32 +0000
To: Eilleen Murphy<eilleenmurphy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: B Class Shareholders
You can on mobile, land line or Skype which ever is best for you
M
On 16/01/2013 17:53, eilleenmurphy@gmail.com wrote:
No problem, will give you a call later.
Many Thanks
EilleenSent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2
I received a call that same evening but it was not Eilleen but a Don Campbell who called. He claimed to have been at the Mount Herbert Hotel in Ballsbridge at the invitation of Susan Morrice to participate in an oil seminar. He claimed that when he arrived Susan Morrice was trying to sell Educo courses. He said he represented a major fund which had a major litigation department who wished to contact the B shareholders. They were very familiar with the Caribbean area.
(Note phoned the Mount Herbert Hotel who have no record of a meeting hosted by Susan Morrice, INE, BNE or Educo?)
Don informed me he had offices in London and Dublin. He told me he was going to London the following day and would phone me on his arrival there to discuss further. He would come to Dublin to meet me the following week.
This text was sent at 23.23 pm Wed, 16 Jan 2013
Good to hear you made contact with xxxxxxx. Look forward to advising you on the cult dimension. Talk soon. Mike
Sent from my Windows Phone
You can see that the assumption was this was just the beginning of the communication.
This is the email I sent late that night.
——– Original Message ——–
From: – Wed Jan 16 23:33:15 2013
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 23:33:12 +0000
From: Dialogue Ireland info@dialogueireland.org
Subject: Re: B Class Shareholders
Good to talk to Don. Look forward to talking to him further on how to assist cult victims who are Shareholders.
M
This cryptic text was sent the next morning:
17 Jan 2013 @ 9:20
Look forward to talking soon, Thanks. Don
I try to define what is meant by ‘soon’ by the following text:
17 Jan 2013 @ 9:32
Great would be available 11:30 to 1pm. Or after 6 pm. My advice is that U R dealing with a volatile group of people even though they have left Quinn. …..Can I use that email U sent to me to clarify? Best Mike
Sent from my Windows Phone
There followed no communication and it became clear that we were not getting the truth.
This text was sent on…
21 Jan 2013 @ 12:27
Just want to put you on notice that I feel you have not communicated with us in transparent way. You said U would contact me on your return to London. You used another person’s name did not tell me the name of the company and told xxxxxxx U were going to Dubai. If we have not confirmed your bone fides by Wed we will be publishing what transpired on our blog as our first duty is to cult victims. I passed on your details in good faith and hope you will show it was warranted by contacting me asap.
Best Mike
Sent from my Windows Phone
On 21/01/2013 12:50, eilleenmurphy@gmail.com wrote:Dear xxxxxxxx and Mike
We are away on business until next Monday, our business trip was extended.
We would prefer to talk to you person after we get back.
However I will be free later this evening and will give Mike a short telephone call then.
We have contacted you also in good faith to hopefully help the B class shareholders but please be reminded we too are professionals and have busy schedules.
We do not know if your communications are secure, our work at this stage is always highly confidential and we do not work with people we cannot trust.
In due course NDA’s will be needed and only after that will we have meaningful discussions.
At this stage Don only wants to talk to One B Class Shareholder and keep all conversations and communications to a minimum.
Kind Regards
EileenSent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2
We found prevarication and a lack of transparency. They wanted us to sign a Non Disclosure Agreement (See copy of proposed document which we refused to sign.) before they informed us who they were.
There was a catch 22. We told them we would only publish if they did not come clean. They kept saying we were threatening them and that we ourselves were a cult!
We pointed out it is impossible to make a contract with an unknown entity. This was our legal advice. After a number of calls and emails passing backwards and forwards we came up with a formula to break the impasse. We agreed to sign a contract with Don representing an unknown entity. However, it would be null and void if the company proved to be non existent or a scam after we signed. We raised no conditions as to whether we liked the company or not. All we wanted to be sure was that if we had communicated with someone who was misrepresenting themselves we refused to be party to it. We also received intelligence that Eilleen Murphy did not in fact exist. Whoever she was she was not Eilleen. I did talk to Don who I have a mobile number for but Eilleen seemed to become unhinged when she could not break our boundary defence. As we would say in the south she was outside the Pale. It was bizarre as she claimed to be part of a well known Northern denomination which I was very familiar with having studied in Belfast from 1970 -73. We had the comment from her that we believe people, and then they asked us to sign this crazy document where we would hand over all our rights? This suggested she did not take people at their word.
Don suggested that he would get someone from the company to authenticate and verify the information we would receive. We also were very insistent that the victims of Quinn needed to receive expert advice, but our signing of the agreement was not dependent on that happening. We also stressed that our communications would not be passed onto third parties who might be former Educoists or B Shareholders. This is relevant from what transpired yesterday.
There was a period of what can only be called email ping pong clearly used to mystify and obfuscate rather than clarify the situation. We gave them an ultimatum if they did not come to an agreement and phone us and go through the contract line by line we would no longer be bound by confidentiality. We gave a deadline of mid afternoon Friday February 8 before we would publish.
On two occasions before the deadline and after it, email addresses which belonged to members of DI who were to be party to the confidential agreement were used to attempt to contact other members of the exec committee on the assumption that the Director was a lone ranger acting on his own without consulting his members. He obviously was not and we had also shared this with our legal counsel. Their were frantic attempts to stop this post from happening. This also included attempted Skype calls which showed that Don and co had induced them to blackmail us to not publish. While negotiations were going on they were passing on confidential communications to others in complete breach of our discussions with them.
These were not from Don and “Eilleen,” but by ex Educoists who would not have had these addresses. They could only have been given to them from our email correspondence with Don. They also used them in such a way that suggested they did not know who would receive them.
Here is what one of my executive committee wrote to me.
“Received this email but I have no idea who this person is, and it seems this person does not know me.”
In other words this Don has got some Educoists to sign a contract which involves non disclosure and then has used them to try to blackmail us to not post. Releasing our private correspondence and addresses to them.
We have the extensive email correspondence which we archive as we get to the bottom of this saga.
During this week Susan Morrice the current Chair of INE wrote to me and expressed the following opinion in a private email to me responding to her after I was literally a few feet from her at the TQ Seminar:
“Despite what you have been alledging, I have at all times acted in what I believe to be in the best interests of the company. I find your statement in the penultimate paragraph of your letter that you have ” no interest in the oil issue ” , to be totally incompatible with your actual stance, which I also find difficult to understand in terms of your status as a charitable organisation with no apparent commercial objectives.
At the end of the day, you have decided to take sides in what has been no less than a hostile takeover bid of an extremely successful company, to which I have been devoting the best part of my professional life.”
Here is the relevant sentence taken from my reply:
Could you give any evidence that I have become involved in a hostile takeover of INE? I think what you are claiming is defamatory is it not?
So the obvious import of this is that Morrice who has capitulated in a series of court cases and settled nearly all of them including one in the High Court in Dublin which she lost has got wind of a hostile take over of the company. Due to her highly cult controlled thinking she put me at the centre of what is obviously a fiction from what we have written here, namely we have no interest in oil at all.
She also appealed to the Supreme Court here, but her legal agents are still persisting with the myth that this case is ongoing whereas it is over. In other words how can an appeal take place concerning a deposition related to a case which has been settled. What planet are we on…
Tony?
We did not take this action without serious consideration of its consequences. We will leave up to the public the decision if we were right to take the course of action we did. Publication here is the full responsibility of Don and co. If they had engaged we would have never printed a word, as oil is of no interest to us.
Filed under: Tony Quinn
It all looks very dubious to me. As members of the public you were right to ask for more details to clarify who they were and what their intentions are towards B shareholders. It is clear from your correspondence that you are interested in the cult dimension and the need for B shareholders to address the issues of cult influence. I think you were also right to issue a deadline with them; When DI members are being sent e-mails via B shareholders it would seem they already made contact with B shareholders and it may be the case they no longer had any further need to keep in touch with you. Cloak and dagger is right; very strange. It’s out of your hands if they are scamming B shareholders.
DI has stated many times they have no interest in the oil company and yet it seems INE cannot resist trying to implicate you. I cannot see any grounds for Susan Morrice’s attempt to involve DI’s actions and interest in cult victims as being involved in a takeover so I’m inclined to think that she has lost the plot and paranoia has set in, yet again. They are very foolish to resurrected their agenda to ruin DI as all they accomplish is drawing attention to themselves and giving an opportunity to bring the issue back into the public media. If the above Con is legitimate and working against them it would serve their interests to turn their attention towards him. As Tony Quinn has said many times, “What you fear most comes about”. It’s about time Morrice realised that you are not the enemy of INE and are only interested in victims of Educo. She needs to look elsewhere to protect her interests; unless it was all a set-up on their part from the beginning to implicate you via e-mails? The plot thickens.
You would be nuts to sign that confidentiality agreement. Among the strangest provisions are that the confidentiality agreement cannot be discussed with legal advisers and you cannot rely on past court judgements to abrogate it. I would have no truck with someone who proposed such a confidentiality agreement. He tried to take you for a ride.
Well, well, well, what have we got here…?
Mike , dear chap , you seem to be in a spot of bother? Did you bite off a bit more than you could chew?
I couldnt believe how you rushed into the jaws of an obvious trap…but you always do that dont you/ You just HAVE to get more gossip about your target enemies, and you throw caution or commonsense to the wind…and this time it went pearshape, or belly-up, as the professionals would say…and you made clear that you are not just a do-gooder…but someone who wants to damage/destroy/ridicule/defame those emenies YOU have chosen.
Tony Quinn, ALCC, K.Sandford< Victory Church, D.Hale, Scientology, Palamists, ..Father G.McGinnity, Christina Gallagher, The House of Prayer, etc etc…..THESE people and groups never raised a complaint against you, BUT ..you would destroy the with your mockery, hatred, unwillingness to offer balance…onle hatred and incitement and defamation…
Now old boy, it seems the shoe is on the other foot and you are on the run? Is it not true? Your bluster and sham has blown apart…you did not get the flood of compaints and did not get the slightest proof for your allegations, and you are scared? Rightly so/? because you did great evil? And there may be a great price to pay?…
I would at this time perfer to be a shareholder in the TQ buisness than in yours….this is an analogy…you are in trouble brother. You are in deep shit, and you made it all happen through your hartred and lack of commonsense…when I met a friend in Dublin yesterday he said " old mike and DI is like a mother goat that had only one tit and got three kids2.
Says it all
“THESE people and groups never raised a complaint against you…”
I don’t get this logic. “THESE people” are destructive groups profiting from the vulnerable. DI is a non-profit charitable association dedicated to helping their victims. Anonymous, there is huge confusion in what you have written. It makes no sense.
Wishful thinking again “anonymous”, as there’s no problem here for DI. The organisation seems to have behaved in an appropriate manner and your pathetic attempts to make up something here that reflects badly on DI is so irrational and biased (or should we say “hate”, the word you so love to use) that it clearly reveals your own agenda. Instead of criticising Quinn and other cult leaders who have proven histories of abuse, destruction and exploitation, incuding media and legal exposure of their wrongdoing, you attack those who try to protect others from the parasitic cults leaders. This show your values and mind-set. Your bit of empty propaganda against DI and Mike Garde falls so flat. Your prophesy of bad outcomes for DI is only your wishful thinking. You still don’t understand th legal definition of “defamation” and as for the “goat” analogy, you need to get out more and find some more friends who can enlighten you better.
Anonymous; It sounds like you are already with the wrong crowd as who ‘in their right mind’ would want to do business with Tony Quinn unless they have criminal tendencies and condone alleged sexual depravity? Your reasoning tells me you are seriously compromised and you need to resist any urges of temptation. Do you attend a prayer group?
What’s up anonymous. DI are doing great work to inform the public of the criminal behaviour of cult like organizations like tony Quinn and so forth. If you speak on behave of these type of people you really need to examine your outlook better.
I am so thankful to have found the DI website. This has been the only place that I have found that tackles the groups with cult type tendencies in Ireland. I have been given the opportunity to write about my experience instead of being constantly told that I was trapped in thought, too negative, etc and that the so called techniques I was taught in Educo were not working because of me even though I would attempt to follow them as prescribed by the so called master himself TQ.
Anonymous what about my legal right to have my money back for 2 seminars totaling 83,000 euro’s (plus all the rest I have spent in the name of Educo) that have brought me nothing but debt and the techniques that didn’t work in fact the opposite happened. My life became a lot worse after attending these seminars even if I attempted to convince myself it was getting better.
Thanks to Educo I have lost 10 years of my life am deeply in debt and am having to start over again in my career from the bottom and that includes moving and the cost of that. If I had never met any of you I would be at the top of my game and financially secure.
Please don’t give me why didn’t you come and speak to us crap I tried that and was blamed for my so called lack of success in the TQ world. I never saw a ounce of duty of care to wards anyone who attended an Educo seminar. The concept does not exist in the organisation. The influence of people shows how deeply it goes that they didn’t care to help those who struggled with the techniques or the undue influence on their mind.
You have the audacity to come onto this site and mock DI and Mike Garde. You would only need to do this if the likes of TQ HOP etc had something to hide. Anyone who hatches up a trap to try to trap DI into a non-disclosure is attempting to stop DI from exposing them. Well believe it or not if you will but I have a right to know what any group who is taking my money is up to. I can assure you that if I had known about DI 11 years ago I would not have ever been involved in Educo or ever have given them one dime of my money.
The one positive for me that has come out of this terrible experience is that I have zero trust in any group that asks me for copious amounts of money for half-baked philosophies that are designed only to make a so called Guru very wealthy with no responsibility on their part of a duty of care to the students.
Not to mention the so called top brass, Martin ford and others supporting the alleged sexual deviant TQ. These people are just as guilty for still being involved and at the same time knowing all the facts. Disassociate from educo now. You moral compass has being pointing south for far too long.
Disappointed Edocuist….what I think is that only a real nutter would pay 83,000 for 2 seminars….anywhere in the world. I never paid a dime for any seminar I attended. Thanks to companies progressive like Boylesports etc…these were free.
You really have been to the shitter, havent you? there really does not seem to be much one can do about it? The old saying about a fool and his money being easily parted seems true….but dont give up…keep going with your now proper level of awareness and no doubt you will get to the top again. Often its best to laugh at our own mistakes…say feckitt…and begin again…Godd luck pal
First you show contempt of people who have been deceived. Also your ethical awareness is at lower than gutter level, should we say sewer! It is clear that you do not understand influence. Even the most intelligent people are able to be under influence. Look down any Irish street and look at Des Bishop’s programme. It is the same as alcohol. Hopefully you do not call your AA friends nutters. I have been dealing with this Educo fraud for years and have seen great business people, genuine people believing the more they pay the more it is worth.
It was not because of your great intellect you did not pay but because your boss JB thought after being brought under influence he had to send his staff to them. One contacted me and went to Disneyland instead and when he came back to the hotel found his bag packed. It did not take great effort for you to resist this freebe. By the way can you tell me when you did this course and how many people would you say did the seminar from 2003 to the present from Boylesports?
Yes there is. Quinn and his guys stated the objectives of the seminar and what could be achieved. Aalso if they did not issue receipts or there is no trail of paying tax there would be scope for legal redress. All that has to happen is that one person takes a case for misrepresentation, also get him into court to explain his objectives and how he delivered on them. I know qa lot of people who did them who have lost their business, their marriage, etc.
The time to stand up has come.
The statement that their scam artists at every corner is more appropriate. You are clearly making the argument that the person who is raped is at fault. You are still conditioned as you still hold those Educo awareness junk bonds in your head.
No it is better to come to your senses and realise that Quinn has to pay for his criminal acts and join with others to organise his visit to the courts in Dublin. The only thing to fear is fear itself.
TQ certainly misrepresent himself as a life guru and pressure sold his seminars through his sheep. It does only take one person to get the ball rolling on this.
TQ misrepresented himself. His seminars promised everything but delivered nothing. He is not a guru of anything. Just a conman who scams others. One courtcase on either the alleged rape or a potential dissatisfied customer seeking compensation would encourage everyone to get something back.
Sexual healing for example probably didn’t produce the result for the participant who was allegedly receiving it. Kick starting the life force needs other stimulation I’d say.
To Anonymous: I am stunned by your answer to my post regarding the large amount of money that I paid for the seminars. You clearly do not understand the concept of undue influence and not receiving what was promised in all the glossy brochures advertising the TQ philosophy. Like many others I wanted to improve my life and it wasn’t about money for me but a spiritual quest to understand the workings of the mind better.
I take offence that you refer me as a fool and their money. Is that how you refer to any one in your family or friends when they do something that costs money that you don’t approve of? Are you suggesting that because I was scammed it was my fault? It is something I find very strange. The person who rips you off is given a pat on the back and is congratulated for getting away with it and the victim is seen as an idiot that deserved all they got. It is the other way around. The victim has been scammed and deserves the support and the scammer deserves to brought to justice for their dishonesty. There is a culture here that rewards scammers and laughs at victims.
I am glad that you think my misfortune is so funny.
To anonymous, the same scammers that you admire and don’t hold to account would scam you aswell.
Paul, a previous poster, no longer defends Tony Quinn. He was obviously under the influence. Now we have a gutter sniper under the influence who shows a predilection for criminal behaviour. It is obvious he admires and condones con artistry and wishes he had the guts to do it himself. His ignorance is appalling so take no notice Disappointed Educoist. You are on the right track.
Tony Quinn’s biggest fear is being held responsible for his actions and charges brought against him are long overdue.
Interest: Kick-starting the life force, and the only way to do it is through the sexual act, is A MYTH and THEY KNOW THIS. What is obvious is Tony Quinn seduces women into having sex through hypnotic influence. One of the difficulties he had was not all women succumbed to him directly so he interfered with their relationships indirectly. He has no boundaries and invades boundaries. ‘Top brass’ and his workers aided and abetted his behaviour. A ‘top brass’ therapist I attended had no scruples when it came to recruiting or influencing her client to accept Quinn’s ‘belief system’. It does not surprise me they’ve been referred to as pimps. Unsettling as it is, part of healing is becoming aware of changes in behaviour and thought patterns. Seduction was the name of the game whether for sex or money. ‘Different courses for different horses’ you might say. No one can convince me that degrading women, as is part of the ritual, has any spiritual aspirations attached. There were some he would not approach for sex preferring to leave them in their ‘spiritual’ hypnotic trance. They were simply not good-looking enough, so I’ve been told but why enlighten them to the cult’s true nature when their financial and voluntary work was necessary?
Is the alleged sexual misconduct case still on track?
The court case was meant to happen this month. Your guess is as good as mine but I would say not. It is possible her health was suffering, According to INE she was part of the conspiracy takeover; wasting the courts time as usual and the stress took its toll. The question now is, did she drop the case or take a lump sum. He may have gagged her into not disclosing any information.
There is a case against Tony Quinn for defrauding INE shareholders. The truth is, Susan Morrice is not safe from Quinn’s influence and as a director, incapable of making any decisions on their behalf. B shareholders have a genuine case and yet it seems they are being taken for fools and working against their own best interests. If this were not the case we would know what they do at present is legal and above board. Can they prove that the mysterious saviour of shareholders is not in cahoots with Tony Quinn? If DI had signed the confidentiality agreement it would have taken away their right to function properly and I would be highly suspicious of any company who attempts to do this. Are B shareholders capable of realising they are still under influence when they agree to sign such a document?
I too went on a seminar and at one stage mainly 2/3 months later my business life unraveled Only for the steps i took years before i went to the Bahamas i would be a dead man. Seminars are RUBBISH.
Anonymous:
I am very sorry to hear about your business unraveling and I wonder, would you be able to explain what you went through that this would happen?
I remember doing their therapy course and I found it quite difficult to think straight. The relaxation/hypnosis was so strong I was incapable of thinking through what they were ‘teaching’ and I now know they were using their classes to indoctrinate rather than educate. It was said by many that when someone is academically weak it is because they are a healer and this was supposed to explain why many of them found it difficult to succeed in exams. Of course, the lie is obvious and there are probably some who still believe it. It was when I came away from the group I knew there was nothing wrong with my ability to think things through although it took a number of years before I was totally clear of their influence.
Can you explain how you were affected by Quinn’s techniques?