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I read these articles including the Sunday Times report personally I don’t think an employee can be compelled to attend a course if the hold a reasonable reason for not doing so.
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Comments on Boylesports in row over ‘cult’ training course by Aine Coffey ~Sunday Times June 24, 2012
http://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/06/16/john-boyle-at-the-heart-of-the-educoquinn-empire/
unhappyatwork
Submitted on 2012/06/25 at 6:21 pm
I am so relieved this has come out. What Mr Boyle is up to is nothing less than harrassment in the workplace and the law should be protecting the employees there. Employees are being told they have to attend these sessions with (Removed) Georgina Dolan and people who have expressed resistance to it have been advised it would be (Removed) very unwise (Removed). Rather than doing any good for his company, he is making an even bigger ass of himself than people already believe him to be and distracting employees from their real work not only during the time they have to endure these sessions away from their desks, but the entire workforce can talk about nothing else. Everyone is whispering what they really think of him and her and most people are already making their own plans to leave and get out of it just as soon as they possibly can. Really there’s wiser locked up and it is a huge insult to the intelligence of his highly skilled workforce. Nice one Mr Boyle – is that what you hoped to achieve? This big investment intended to help staff as he says, has them boiling with anger and resentment instead. On the one hand he declares the big investment (waste of money) being made in (Removed) and on the other hand he demotivates the staff with more news of yet more pay freezes and cancelled bonuses. He has everybody wondering – what the hell is this (Removed) going to come up with next and they are all worried about their jobs. He will most certainly lose a lot more than he will gain by this disastrous association with Georgina Dolan and most of that will be his very best employees. Watch this space!
Concerned
Submitted on 2012/06/25 at 7:05 pm
I too am very concerned about what is happening at Boylesports. I don’t work for Boylesports myself, but I know some of the staff very well and also have relations working there. (Removed). As I understand it, if any of the staff refuse to attend these meetings ran by Georgina Dolan, they will be disciplined and maybe lose their jobs.
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It seems to me if the staff were given the choice they would probably not attend but unfortunately Quinn and his disciples know that because of the economy jobs are hard to come by and most people are only staying at Boylesports because of the lack of jobs elsewhere.
Having said all of that, I must take my hat off to Tony Quinn, what a brilliant way to attempt to get new people to join his cult, by brainwashing them in the work place and calling his recruitment drive “staff training”. Watch out staff at Boylesports he’s coming after your family jewels!!!!John
Submitted on 2012/06/25 at 7:34 pm
I totally agree with the last 2 comments, the staff are not only totally demoralised but genuinely frightened. (Removed) The atmosphere in the place is absolutely terrible at the minute. 3 years of pay freezes while he claims to be having the best results of his career in the Racing Post and no investment in staff or infrastructure. All Tony Quinn nonsense like If you act successful you will be successful. (Removed) They want senior staff members to do one on one course with Georgina now. There’s already been a huge exodus of staff from Boylesports, many as a direct result of this and many more will follow.
Submitted on 2012/06/25 at 8:22 pm
She’s apparently giving everyone in the company a grade which will affect their future with the company. It hasn’t been explained on what basis people are being judged (certainly nothing to do with their work performance or career experience) and what professional credentials she has to imbue her with the authority to judge anyone. This is very unsettling for everyone and it is very disrespectful to his employees to treat them in this way. (Removed)
anonygirl
Submitted on 2012/06/25 at 8:57 pm
I would invite anyone who works at Boylesports to anonymously post opinions on the goings on at the company with respect to this article. If you know someone who works there send them this link. Let this act as a forum for the employees – past and present.
Angie
Submitted on 2012/06/25 at 9:24 pm
Even the best of them go bad once they’ve crossed that line. How about everyone shouting NO when he mentions ‘staff training’? Since the word spreads quickly about what is happening I doubt he’ll have people asking for employment unless they think they’re immune to hypnosis. I get very suspicious when I hear anything about stress relief. Does Gorgina give relaxation sessions? The one on one’s give me the creeps just thinking about it. I had one of them with another TQ worker and found myself doing something I would not have done before and I consider myself intelligent. If you value your mental health you need to put a stop to this so called training. Stay true to yourselves!
John Last
Submitted on 2012/06/25 at 9:32 pm
John Boyle will eventually bring his own company down. He considers his company in terms of a small corner shop instead of an international one. The people who work there obviously have no voice to put forward
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John
Submitted on 2012/06/25 at 9:43 pm
The guy has surrounded himself with yes men in the past few years. No one can say no as John is a genius and if they disagree they clearly are wrong. Im all for self belief but the guys gone over the edge. Worst business man I’ve ever delt with, his company was built by the people employed there not by JB. Though he’s convinced himself its all his and Tonys doing. Very sad and scary time for those still there.
john
Submitted on 2012/06/25 at 9:49 pm
Georgina did say they had been marking shop staff for the past few months without telling them, then they had to improve or else.” Some of them actually scored zero percent as they weren’t open to new things and many had blockages in their mind that let in negative thoughts”
Anonymous
Submitted on 2012/06/25 at 10:00 pm
(Removed) If this is staff training as he claims it to be what qualifications does Georgina actually have I wonder? (Removed) I wonder how long you will have a job for if you refuse to go.
Anonymous
Submitted on 2012/06/25 at 10:13 pm
Guys, could I ask that on behalf of the current staff, who through fear of losing their jobs have little or no voice, that someone contacts Joe Duffy or more newspapers to make more people aware of what’s going on. The only thing that can stop it now is bad PR. Thanks to all who’ve left comments of support.
Anonymous
Submitted on 2012/06/25 at 10:43 pm
I agree with the last comment the only way to stop this madness is to get more media involved and the sooner the better. Get John Boyle on Joe Duffy and ask him what happens to staff who refuse this training?
BILLION DOLLAR STRUCTURE
Submitted on 2012/06/26 at 12:26 am
(Removed) He said it was a unique structure that he came up with and he got huge money for sharing it. Actually what it is is a RAG Report which has been used in businesses since the 70s and is by no means unique. It grades people’s performance – RED if bad – AMBER if steady and GREEN if moving forward. The idea is to get rid of the REDs if they cannot move forward. I wonder how much did Boyle pay Quinn or is it Dolan for this genius method of running a business.
Mr Negative
Submitted on 2012/06/26 at 4:10 pm
I know a person who used to run a business, she was a Tony Quinn follower and was into it in a big way along with her family, they mixed with the Boyles and used to sit up the front of all the Tony Quinn meetings in Dublin every month. She too had a successful business and would credit Tony Quinn with a lot of the success of the company, she too would pressure her employees into going on Tony Quinn seminars and expect them to pay for it themselves or she would provide the loans and take the money out of their wages! She eventually gave Tony a percentage of her company for advice which was crazy, because he knew nothing about the business and it was down to her hard work and nothing else. Now the business is bust and Tony wasn’t around to help when it lacked funding or needed loans. Tony took his money and ran!! She went on two seminars and two or three mind masters, which were 50-60 grand a pop!
This theme of getting Tony Quinn followers to try and pressure their employees onto the seminars is another way for Tony to make more money as the numbers are getting smaller on his seminars and his old ways of recruiting people are not getting people!!! Plus nobody has the spare cash anymore!!
I personally met Mr Boyle a few times and I couldn’t believe how this successful businessman could be so in awe of Tony Quinn and his crap, it was like he was on a different planet and wouldn’t shut up about the information and Tony’s wisdom, in my opinion he was seriously brainwashed! He even got his own family into the Tony Quinn stuff also!
I personally did a seminar myself about 8 years ago and it was a bunch of horseshit, i was never really into the stuff in the first place and kind of got pressured into it! It was a nice holiday but not worth the money paid, and the information could be easily read in a book! TQ is all about money and power and he never shuts up blowing his own trumpet, i often criticized him in front of the big wigs and I was branded a negative person. You cannot win with these people!! (Removed)
The sooner the guy is ousted as nothing more than a man with a big ego and a big wallet, who wants nothing more than to make as much money as possible!
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(Removed) Actually what it is is a RAG Report which has been used in businesses since the 70s and is by no means unique. It grades people’s performance – RED if bad – AMBER if steady and GREEN if moving forward. The idea is to get rid of the REDs if they cannot move forward. I wonder how much did Boyle pay Quinn or is it Dolan for this genius method of running a business.
Gorgina (Removed) while attending a seminar in the 90′s. I was lead to believe at the time that it was a positive move forward. What I saw was a complete take over of her mind. This is the way of cults. They’ll break you till submission. Keep your eye on the GREENS!
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John Boyle is being coerced into doing this to keep the good ship educo afloat.
You got it wrong on this one John, you have been the cause of too many people going on seminars and ruining their lives.
Boylesports staff should make a stand on this one, it might be John Boyles business but it is the staffs own livelihoods and careers we are talking about here, John doesnt own his staff the way Tony Quinn owns him.
For further evidence research what happened to Tina Fearon, also from Dundalk.
DO YOU ALL THINK THAT/, US, SOME OF US WHO WORK FOR BOYLES ANYWAY/, DON’T SEE THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO LEAD US UP THE GARDEN PATH WITH YOUR SPIRITUAL GOBBILDIGOO PRETENDING THAT YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT US. / IF GEORGINA OR ANYBODY ELSE TRYS TO DUPE US WE CAN FIGHT OUR OWN BATTLES AND NOT LOOK TO SOME OF YOU WHO ARE DESPERATE FOR ATTENTION TO DO IT FOR US. THERE ARE TRADE UNIONS IN THIS COUNTRY YOU KNOW AND WE DON’T NEED CULT WATCHDOG MEN TO PRETEND TO CARE/SHAME ON YOU FOR TRYING TO USE US LIKE THIS/ WE ARE NOT AND I SAY AGAIN NOT STUPID/GET IT???
To above post…Err.. Boyles don’t recognise unions except for the employees that joined from the William Hill buyout..but if you were an employee, you’d know that right?! ;-)
I know a person who use to run a business, she was a tony quinn follower and was into it in a big way along with her family, they mixed with the boyles and used to sit up the front of all the tony quinn meetings in Dublin every month. She too had a succesfull business and would credit tony quinn with a lot of the success of the company, she too would pressure her employees into going on tony quinn seminars and expect them to pay for it themselves or she would provide the loans and take the money out of their wages! She eventually gave tony a percentage of her company for advice which was crazy, because he knew nothing about the business and it was down to her hard work and nothing else. Now the business is bust and tony wasn’t around to help when it lacked funding or needed loans. Tony took his money and ran!! She went on two seminars and two or three mind masters, which were 50-60 grand a pop!
This theme of getting tony quinn followers to try and pressure their employees onto the seminars is another way for tony to make more money as the numbers are getting smaller on his seminars and his old ways of recruiting people are not getting people!!! Plus nobody has the spare cash anymore!!
I personally met Mr Boyle a few times and i couldn’t believe how this succesfull businessman could be so in awe of tony quinn and his crap, it was like he was on a different planet and wouldn’t shut up about the information and tony’s wisdom, in my opinion he was seriously brainwashed! He even got his own family into the tony quinn stuff also!
I personally did a seminar myself about 8 years ago and it was a bunch of horseshit, i was never really into the stuff in the first place and kind of got pressured into it! It was a nice holiday but not worth the money paid, and the information could be easily read in a book! TQ is all about money and power and he never shuts up blowing his own trumpet, i often criticized him in front of the big wigs and I was branded a negative person. You cannot win with these people!! (Removed)
The sooner the guy is ousted as nothing more than a man with a big ego and a big wallet, who wants nothing more than to make as much money as possible!
First we note your use of capitals which tells us you are shouting and agitated! We are definitely not worried about you, you are still obviously still close to the cookie jar. However, we are not leading anyone to come on here, but rather responding to a number of requests for help. Our mission is to assist, so we are not the great pretender.
Did you note your anger, and you just do not like the fact that we raise them up and they are beginning to get their act together!
I will let Anon answer that point:
Anon Submitted on 2012/06/26 at 2:53 pm
Who is the WE looks like you might be a cuckoo in the nest!
terrible isn’t it?
The capitals said it all!
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Not only capitals, but possibly English isn’t a first language……
Just to confirm there is no union at Boylesports (except the Will Hill shops) we dont even have an employee rep.
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John is not a mean person but he IS seriously under the influence, he was able to beat the drink but unfortunately has got addicted to thinking he’s a great fella altogether, Quinn knows how to manipulate him and he has been milking him all along. John would have known the Educogyms were a bad investment but he went ahead just to please his master.(Removed)
He doesn’t know exactly when the business changed from Boyle Bookmakers to Boylesports. For a man who believes entirely in himself and being the best John Boyle that he can be, then surely you would know this. Surely John.
When he comes under cross-fire on the below link, he crawls into his little hole, hides behind his stutter and continues to endorse Tony Quinn. Come on John, wake up you mad man for Christ sake before you bring your business down.
Boylesports is an increasingly successful company which started at just the right time and had insanely hard working people as the driving force behind this success. The more successful Boylesports has become it seems the more its CEO credits this success to Tony Quinn. (Removed) Everyone is entitled to believe in whatever theories/religions/cults they want to believe in. That is a personal choice. And I would like to emphasise 2 words there- “personal” & “choice”. (Removed) The real issue here is the blatant misuse of power by all involved in the “Academy for Success” by forcing the so called “training course on its staff”. (Removed) This so called “training course” in no way whatsoever reflects any of the qualifications, abilities, time or effort of the normal working staff on the ground who work through their lunches, work early in the morning til after their finishing times, who work for minimum wage in the shops with contracts that aren’t worth the paper they are written on. Boylesports employees work hard and get little reward for it- pay freezes ‘til 2013 when the company claims highest turnover in years(Removed). Everything about it undermines employee’s position in the company. The unexplained grading system that Georgina Dolan sees fit to implement into the Academy is incredulous. No employee should be put in a position where they can not say NO to something and unfortunately that is the case when it comes to this Tony Quinn based course and John Boyles attitude towards his staff members. Its always a case of divide and conquer. Keeping staff salaries low and expectations low but expect more more and more. (Removed) How much money is wasted on this exercise? When does it stop?
When will John Boyle realise he can not run a company like this? The stress, upset, anger, disillusion, helplessness this causes has such a negative effect on employee productivity that in the end the whole exercise is a huge waste of money and is counterproductive.
I hope this issue remains in the public eye. Once it is being highlighted in the media it means that John Boyle, his Tony Quinn staff and his legal team will be on red alert and will be treading softly softly and will hopefully cancel the whole thing and let employees get on with what they are paid to do – their jobs.
Sounds like John Boyle is flogging a dead horse. As long as he is associated with EDUCO (Removed) it will be difficult to get the message across. They may also be under pressure to recruit for seminars in the near future. What they are doing now ie undermining the staff’s already strong work ethic and paying very low wages is typical of how they operate in the TQ set-up. Nothing or no-one is ever good enough and even those who go along with the courses will find this applies to them as well. What they look for is out and out dedication to the TQ cause or, failing that, make courses and seminars part of your training; a necessity to keep your job position.
He has taken his eye off the ball (Gorgina is a terrible distraction) and on a losing streak. The only future John Boyle sees, and his blinkers are on, are hypnotically induced visualisations of the public acknowledging his grand achievement of opening the ‘Boylesports Academy of Success’ and the inevitable newspaper interview (conducted by Tony himself of course). It’s all in the mind, you know.
And by the way, they don’t care how much they upset anyone. In the Tony Quinn group they slowly break you down till you agree with what they say and if their tactics at undermining and bullying doesn’t work it usually results in workers getting angry and fearful of what is going to happen next. Showing a total lack of empathy is part of THEIR training. (Removed)
The only real course of action to put a stop to it is speaking openly about what is going on. Since those who have left are not in fear of losing their jobs they are in a position to talk about their own experience and the present situation (advised and agreed by those concerned workers in Boylesports). Do you have a union working on your behalf?
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So you were all called in one by one (Gorgina got her way after all, the devious woman) under the guise of what? Secrecy, as in all cult like companies, has gained hold in Boylesports and it’s a lot worse than a boss balling you out for not hitting your target. I would ask you all to take note of how your lives have changed since this started. (Removed)
Anything or anybody that involves Quinn is inviting disaster.
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As a former employee I cannot say I’m shocked by this. The management structure was my primary reason for getting out of there. In the time I was there it seemed like anybody with relevant industry experience was being shoved more and more into the shadows and replaced by yes men and blow ins from other industries with questionable qualifications.
I think Boyle has finally shot himself in the foot with this one and I’m just surprised it has taken this long for do it.
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The sad truth is those pair need deprogramming. They are in it (Tony Quinn’s programme) and don’t see it. They were sold on the idea that their state of mind (positive thinking/focused awareness) is a WONDERFUL place to be that has AMAZING benefits on relationships, business etc., and end up obsessively focused on pleasing Quinn. It becomes their sole purpose in life. They are blind to the chaos created by their blinkered vision. Anyone with a healthy thinking mind will avoid them like the plague.
Quinn throws them into a vast ocean of ‘energy’ to peddle frantically and never reach the shore.
Well said Angie, I couldn’t agree with you more. I’m thankful that I got to the shore but I cant thank anyone in the Quinn circle for it, they keep you pushed away from it.
But as Jesus said “Forgive them for they know not what they are doing”
Presently, the emphasis is on ‘they know not what they do’. It is too obvious that this is the situation in Boylesports and, as long as it continues, I very much doubt that the staff are ready for the concept of forgiveness.
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I wonder why John Boyle hasn’t explained Gorgina Dolan’s presence at the meetings considering she has no practical business expertise to offer Boylesports. Why is he uncomfortable about sharing with you that she is in the ‘NOW’ and making the ‘vital difference’ in the success of ‘training’ the minds of Boylesports staff and usingTony Quinn’s ‘amazing’ business advice to bring about the perfect ‘results’.
It would not matter if you gave 120%. Susceptability to hypnosis and accepting the great ‘philosophy’ of her Guru is the critique she bases her results on.
I wonder who is paying her to sit in on meetings? Quinn has his worker bees who toil tirelessly for nothing or practically nothing and it looks like this mindset has crept into Boylesports.
If she opens her mouth to speak I would advice you to hum the tune of the national anthem to yourself and include loud drum rolls or continue doing whatever you have devised already to stop you from capitulating to their cult.
The idea of people demonstrating is catching on and this could go ahead here in Dublin. The number of people who accept they’ve been conned is growing as news of Quinn’s criminal behaviour becomes public knowledge. Some demonstrators wear masks to cover their identity.I can understand why many of them would fear losing their jobs or the fear of harrassment on ex-educoists. However, Quinn’s criminal behaviour, and how it has affected others like John Boyle, gives no other choice but to stand together to put a stop to it.
https://whyweprotest.net/anonymous-scientology/anonymous/why-we-wear-masks/
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Now it’s getting serious. Junior staff being asked to come to a meeting with Georgina but specifically requested to do so without their managers being present. She’s actually now claiming the glory for everything all of us are doing in the compay as part of our daily jobs through the guise of this new umbrella project so that when it’s delivered (which it would have been anyway as these things wee largely al in the pipeline or would have been) she can sayshe did that. (Removed)
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(Removed)I believe she actually spoke in a meeting the other day saying she’d be asking for results (I wonder who put those words in her mouth???) which is quite ludricrous coming from someone you’ve never even spoken to, heard talk before or had any explanation of what she’s actually there to do or what skills she has in buisness to justify her presence there in the first place.
Relaxation is how they start the process of hypnosis. Do not underestimate it. THey are not above board about any of it so I’m not surprised there is no explanation for why she is there. Anyone under Tony Quinn’s influence automatically ‘claims the glory’. They are under the illusion that nothing can happen without their input. If you listen to Quinn talking he says that if people don’t take on his ‘philosophy’ they will remain handicapped for life. This is no joke. He honestly thinks that peoples brains are not functioning as much as they should. The only problem is that when he interfers with them they no longer work as they should. Examples – John Boyle (Removed).
I would continue to keep your guard up. (Removed). Quinn’s technique usually result in slavish followers rather than ‘clear minds’ as he puts it. The only clarity he wants is a clear mind to follow his orders. Now that’s the truth!!!
Well today’s supposedly motivational meeting should ‘result’ in quite a few more resignations from valuable employees with or without other jobs to go to.
Anon: You say in your post “Now it’s getting serious” as Gorgina has decided to focus on the junior staff without their managers present. As you know from past posts I am extremely concerned about what is happening in Boylesports.
I am very interested to hear about “today’s supposedly motivational meeting” and if it includes ‘leaving your worries outside the door’ before the relaxation session, etc. Does anyone take notes of minutes of the meeting? Are they recorded for future reference?
Don’t forget to hum your favourite song if she starts in on about ‘amazing results’ or any other topic that does not relate to your job. In truth, you would be within your rights to totally ignore anything she says as her input has nothing to do with your skills as an employee of Boylesports.
It would do a great service if the people who have left would use this blog to speak honestly about what is going on and why, in a time of recession, they would rather leave than stay in Boylesports.
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POWER TO THE RESISTANCE!
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Tony Quinn is gambling Boyle’s money in Vegas while he wracks his brain to “crack” Asia. Is this for real? (Removed)
John Boyle’s downfall started well before anyone outsides Boylesports got to hear about it. His seminars, taking on Doran and listening to Tony Quinn’s ‘business’ advice has caused nothing but trouble and strife. What a disaster! What will become of him? I hope he has, at least, avoided Quinn’s ‘philosophy’ of spending fraudulently acquired money.
I would like to think that it is not too late for John Boyle to salvage something worthwhile from this debacle. Can anything be done to stop further damage to his business?
Tony Quinn talks about breaking through the brick wall that people put up that stops them from taking on his ‘philosophy’ and rehashed ‘amazing breakthroughs’. I find it very scary when, in return, he puts up a reinforced concrete wall that deafens his ‘devotees’ to reason.
Those of you who continue to resist their ‘training’ – Stay True to Yourselves!!
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Educoists beware. Quinn’s anger is the mighty force as he fails, yet again, to pervert justice. Leaving ‘the fold’ is advised. Those who pay homage are on the decline. The Universal Force of Righteousness thwarts his megalomaniacal requests. The Law of the Land casts him down into the lowest stratosphere. Unfortunately, there is no cure for sociopaths.
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Ok so really is no-one going to do something about this woman? That’s 2 more senior managers now missing in action all down to her. None of these people are being replaced so how on earth can this company survive? My advice to all of you is join SIPTU now or they can’t help you when the time comes. It’s easy ad you can do it online here at this page… http://www.siptu.ie/joinsiptu/joinonline/index.php
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From what I have read since this subject of Boylesports became public knowledge, it would be impossible for management to change their ways as their training/mind-set comes from attending seminars given by Tony Quinn. They get stuck in his ‘philosophy’ and ‘business’ practice that creates a slave labour mentality for the benefit of their ‘messiah’ and they want others to have this ‘clarity’ to bring about successful results. The experience of being under Quinn’s control creates a state of mind that totally focusses on the task. This, on the face of it, sounds good but Quinn’s heavy hypnotic influence causes off-putting changes in their approach to people who work for them and more a testimony to Quinn’s personality and his mind-bending techniques. They have lost their own way in life. If they are not in control of themselves how can they run a successful business?