Dialogue Ireland has been observing your dialogue and it is very encouraging to see such hard work going into recovering from the cultist abuse you encountered. We plan to make your dialogue into a full post as the thread you are on would not be seen by many. We can there address the legal, counselling and other issues you are raising. We would also be prepared to publish your stories anonymously if necessary to reach out to other Educoists who are isolated and confused. They have many of them lost the will to live. Your commenting is very therapeutic and could assist others to break from the black and white thinking prominent among those who have encountered abusive pyramid schemes like you have. I have also noted the inappropriate sexual innuendo which you encountered which also needs to be addressed.
As Director of DI we are here to assist anyone with advice and information in the journey to freedom!
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Submitted on 2012/06/01 at 1:20 pm
Hi Dialogue Ireland: Thanks for your post. I would be very happy for my story to be published if it helps someone to feel better about themselves. I understand only to well the feeling of loosing the will to live and not knowing where to turn.
To Dialogue Ireland: Thank you for your post and very educational information attached. It certainly opened my eyes to the truth about the abusive nature of some groups and it broadens my understanding about the dangers people find themselves in while on a very genuine search for spiritual awareness and helped me understand what I went through.
To Dialogue Ireland; I forgot to answer your question in my last post. Yes, you are welcome to use what I have printed to help others.
It really is a sad state of affairs and I feel sympathy for you and those who find themselves in financial difficulties because of the hard core sales techniques that are used by the same people who now vilify your reputation. Their lack of empathy is frightening.They are the people who are trapped in thought programmes that are taking them further and further away from reality. I ask myself, why are they so blind to what is happening? Their ‘saviour’ is due in court because of fraudulent financial transactions and alleged rape and battery charges and yet they continue to sing his praises and put down anyone who questions what he does. His mind programmes have gone so deep they are incapable of thinking for themselves and you have to remember also that some of these same people quite possibly were aware of other questionable practices occurring throughout the years and, somehow, were convinced to accept them. For example, it is known that there is a sexual ritual for ‘enlightenment’. I believe that he abused these women by using hypnosis. Many more need to come forward to make it public.
It is also frightening to see how people who follow him show a lack of empathy for those who have suffered either mental breakdown, physical pain or financial difficulties due to their actions. As I said previously, it is a reflection of the hold he has over their lives. What you have experienced from his followers is the result of his conditioning techniques. It would seem that they are conditioned to withstand any form of constructive criticism. It strikes me too that they fear to appear ‘unsuccessful’. Their sense of worth is wrapped up in perpetuating the lie that TQ has something unique to offer. He is unscrupulous in his methods to make money. He would not be able to do it without them.
What is it they say that ‘you need to be true?’ You might be referring to one of his slogans that I loosely put as ‘If you want something, really believe that you have it and it will come about’? I think that people are capable of achieving something when their need is strong and the conditions are right to make it happen without any input from TQ. I know that the claims they make are exaggerated. They are conditioned to respond very positively about how they have benefited from the seminars etc. In the beginning they may feel uncomfortable about the exaggerations but a lot of pressure is put on them to conform to the groups beliefs. Your difficulty to confirm, what they believe to be the reason for their existence, would make them uncomfortable so I am not surprised that they rejected you. Stay true to yourself!
Submitted on 2012/05/25 at 9:37 am
I find it interesting that there are now allegations of rape and sexual misconduct. I had heard rumours but when I questioned this I was told it was all gossip. However I was asked on numerous occasions by different people what I thought of Tony and “did I fancy him?” which I made very clear under no circumstances would I be interested in him in this way. At one of the seminars he approached me and I had the distinct feeling that he was trying to see how I felt about him and I was extremely uncomfortable during this exchange. When he realised I wasn’t interested I was barely acknowledged again through out the rest of the seminar. I can’t even begin to describe how badly I was treated by Jim Fitzgerald his assistant at this second seminar. It took me years to understand that this had nothing to do with me but was all part of the game to get you to conform. However that just never worked with me. I will ask questions and want to see for myself and not just take someone else’s word for it. The depression I felt was so awful I was unable to work for 6 months & throughout this time. I received absolutely no support from anyone in the organisation. I am surprised that there haven’t been suicides after this because I know that is how I felt for a long time. It took a lot of strength to overcome this. I look at the whole thing as an experience as some things did happen that were amazing but I didn’t discuss them with anyone at the time because I was dismissed by these people. I am glad I had a history of meditation before I went on these seminars an an understanding of how the mind can work because I would hate to think what might of happened if I didn’t. I also acted very out of character going on those seminars when I did. I was going through a very difficult personal period of time and I can’t believe I fell for it. If it was today or even a couple of years earlier it just would not have happened. I can say that I am in a great place now and still on my search and have met some wonderful people along the way. Sadly I just can’t say that about EDUCO.
To Disappointed Educoist; All that you say in your e-mail is so familiar to me. I too was approached by TQ and other males in the group. I too was not interested. His workers, particularly the men who are close to him, do collude with what he does. His female followers are just as bad. Have you seen the movie ‘Martha Marcy May Marlene’? This film has an insight into what can happen in a group similar to TQ’s.
On my first seminar I was given the impression that confusion was a good state of mind to be in. With hindsight I can see that it is easier to influence someone when their conscious mind is temporarily out of action. TQ refers to it as the ‘switch’. A state of non-thought becomes more a hindrance than a help and even dangerous when it interferes with a person’s logical process of thinking and dealing with issues that need to be addressed. Their natural ability to cope with life is undermined when they have been indoctrinated into believing that TQ has the answers.
It is ludicrous that they see you as a failure; what is far worse for them is that you manifest THEIR failure as we know that pressure is put on them by TQ to ‘bring you into the fold’ so to speak. Be very happy about ‘failing’ to sell seminars. You have not contributed to the damage they have done.
From what I witnessed and heard on these seminars it is their goal to break a person down till they become part of the group. It is far easier to continue deluding someone who has committed to ‘making this world a better place’.
They encourage people to continue going to relaxation to reinforce TQ material and to ‘switch’ them back into being ‘high’ on life. It would not surprise me that, a person who comes off a seminar, would experience something similar to a drug addict coming off drugs and this ‘low’ may well be what keeps people going back to the group and attending seminars for a ‘top up’ as it was called in the earlier years. It is unfortunate that members of his group compounded your depression by ‘rejecting’ you. BE VERY GLAD THAT THEY DID. At least you are not under the illusion that TQ and his group ‘has your best interests at heart’. They would not have left you in that state if they had. They showed their true colours.
Even though it was a hard battle I admire your strength of mind in overcoming your depression. I’m glad that you are able to put the EDUCO experience behind you and that you are in a better state of mind now, although I do wonder what it is you are searching for. Stay true to yourself!
Submitted on 2012/05/29 at 12:32 pm
To Angie: It took me quite a long time to realise that the rejection I was subjected to was a good thing. I will never forget an incident where I bumped into Tony in quite an unexpected way after the seminars and he completely blanked me and refused to even acknowledge me. Even though I was in the depths of depression I was shocked at his callous behaviour towards me considering I had paid vast sums of money for his seminars. It was very apparent that I was not coping well at the time and the lack of compassion for me was truly shocking. I still remained on the periphery of everything as this kind of behaviour would never endear me to anyone. I realised that they didn’t have my best interests at heart and I agree you would help someone who was suffering in way that I was. I actually think is they don’t know what to do with anyone who is suffering after a seminar and it wasn’t encouraged. I have been led to believe that they have recently started to set up support networks for people returning from seminars but it my case it is too little and far to late.
Yes the men in the organisation are something else. I was abused by one very close to TQ and another attempted to groom me but as I said previously I just wasn’t interested. I reported the abuse in the organisation but nothing to this day has been done and I am not the only person this happened to. Again it was totally out of character for me. I have avoided physical intimacy for years after this experience although it wouldn’t be the only reason. It is only recently again I feel ready to allow any intimacy into my life. It is amazing how many people just put their heads into the sand so to speak and refuse to deal with the number of accusations that are flying around. Not everyone who reports these things are making it up that is impossible but they are very good at making you feel it is your fault, but that is all part of how they keep people in. I am thankful that I am no longer involved and I have been able to put my life back together.
The search I refer to is my spiritual search and the answers for me. I know that they are different for everyone. I am grateful that I had the strength to get away and to be able to put this experience behind me.
To Disappointed Educoist; I am very glad you are strong enough to get through it and put it behind you. You know that anything that happened was not your fault. How would you have known that they target some females to lure them into sex? You mentioned that your behaviour changed when you were on seminars. That’s understandable. The focus was on changing your behaviour.
As you have probably guessed, I had some strange encounters myself that were quite abusive. I found it very helpful to talk it over with a counsellor. God help us if people who are involved with TQ decide to ‘help’ with a support network for those who are damaged by the seminars. It would be catastrophic for anyone to depend on their support. They are not in a position to be honest and open about it. Their only interest is to cover themselves. If they ignore people who report being treated very badly and then turn it around to blame them, how can they be trusted to treat a person with depression caused by hypnosis or abusive behaviour and whatever else happens on these seminars or in the centre? Their behaviour towards you and others leaves a lot to be desired. I have read some e-mails by people who think the seminars are great, that it is only a few who complain about them. One complaint like yours is enough to call for some kind of questionnaire to find out what the real story is.
It does not surprise me your quest is spiritual awareness. Initially I was drawn to the TQ centre because I thought it was about that. It wasn’t really though was it? Just a mishmash of all sorts to get peoples attention. When they are under his influence they really think they are superior to everyone. I’m not surprised they depend on him because they have been convinced if they leave it would mean going back to ‘normal’ life and ‘who wants to be normal’? is an expression used a lot. Believe me, you have a far better chance of being happy and content living a ‘normal’ life.
I believe that spirituality is important. I believe that I am a spiritual being living in a human body, not a human being trying to be spiritual. Stay true to yourself!
Submitted on 2012/05/30 at 8:25 am
To Angie: Yes you are right I went to Tony Quinn because I also thought it was supposed to be about spiritual enlightenment however that was not what is was about. It is about having power over others. I listened to Tony try to convince the audience that people like The Dalai Lama didn’t understand true reality. He would be quite rude about them. I always found this very strange as it is the opposite of what a spiritually enlightened person would say. I believe that initially he did want spiritual enlightenment himself but somewhere a long the way he really lost his way. Some of his stories are so far fetched one wonders just what he has been up to over the years. I know women in the organisation who is extremely well travelled and she would say openly that he is not the only person in the world to have allegedly done all the things he has claimed to do e.g. sit on a mountain and meditate for months on end.
The attitude that prevails regarding their superiority to others disgusts me. It always has. I always found them to be some of the most judgemental people I ever met with little compassion an understanding of true human nature. I never actually witnessed any of them help someone in trouble. It was not encouraged to assist someone who needed it.
I agree with you that it is catastrophic that the TQ networks actually believe they can help people after a seminar. A lot of people with mental health problems go on these seminars so one wonders how they can be equipped to help those who are struggling if they are really struggling themselves. Its laughable that after so many years of rejecting those who struggled after seminars they now want to help.
The abusive behaviour that prevails is encouraged by those close to Tony to try to force you to conform. I find it interesting that although a lot of people complain about the appalling behaviour from the likes of Jim, Collette, Glen, Martin, Dave etc they can’t see that this behaviour comes from the man himself. After all he keeps telling everyone to follow his example and that he is the only person in the world he knows who is truly enlightened. It must be incredibly frustrating for people who are doing everything they are being told only for them not to be so enlightened as the great man himself!. TQ is very good at distancing himself when it suits him only to reel them back in when it suits him. I have seen some of the above be ignored by him for a few months only to be let back into the fold if they go on another seminar or the drama surrounding some behaviour has died down.
Another thing they do is dismiss this forum for people to express their experiences. I didn’t know about Dialogue Ireland for a number of years and when I found out about it it was dismissed as negative and anti-life. There is no complaint mechanism in the organisation because they don’t want to hear the negativity. Again this did not sit well with me. I don’t believe in complaining for the sake of complaining however an organisation that is transparent would not have a problem with investigating sexual misconduct and abuse.
This is the first time that I have actually written down my experiences and it is a relief to be able to do so. I do feel very sad that something that could have been so great turned out to be so disappointed. Thank you for your dialouge I have been grateful for the exchange.
Submitted on 2012/05/30 at 1:42 pm
My husband and I were the first to join Tony Quinn’s and later on my son did. I should say unfortunately my son did because it took away all his young years when he should have been out with his friends and having a good time. instead he became obsessive about his health, having been a perfectly healthy fellow anyway. my husband would be better at explaining this but I will try. he won’t come on here because he thinks that it is one or two individuals who write everything but I just want to say what i think anyway.
my son changed so much with Tony Quinn and I suppose we did too but we were mature enough to walk away. really, I think I hit the nail on the head when I said maturity there. my son spent every waking moment obsessing about diet and flexing his muscles in front of the mirror and looking at himself and worrying about his blood count. Some idiot in Tony Quinn’s gym told him his blood count should be at some super duper number, which my doctor later said was something he had come across before and it was rubbish. Tony of course thinks he knows more than the doctors, I don’t think so. His own mother died from cancer and with his super duper healing he couldn’t save her. My son after joining Tony Quinn’s judged everybody he met according to their “condition” and their “attitude” and if he didn’t think they met the Quinn’s standard he would take it on himself to fix them. Even his grandfather who spent almost his entire life in amateur boxing didn’t escape the advice on how to do the right way in everything. My son was a normal lad up to this. I am happy to say that as we distanced ourselves more and more and he met his wife everything changed. He is now a normal fellow and loves life.
I need to mention the way it all works in Tony Quinn’s. He always had an inner circle and that is well known. There is always one lackey who is always with him. The lackey and there have been a lot of them, is the one who does a lot of his dirty work , cover up stuff, lie for him and all the sort of things a lackey would do. The lackey then takes on an air of superiority and feels free to give advice to everyone else and when not in Tony’s company, they act like him. They will be telling people that their husband or wife or whatever it is is not right for them and I have seen for myself how relationships are tested by these idiots. The Lackeys are given the cold shoulder by Tony when he wants a new lackey to do new stuff and then Tony back bites them into the ground. Te main memory I have of Tony Quinn’s is the constant back biting and jealousy of all the members and especially in the inner circle or group of lackeys. They all talk about each other and then they all try to show how successful they are when half of them haven’t got a shoe on their foot and drive around in cars that should be off the road.
The girls love saying Tony said they have great potential to be a model or something and the men are so vain. The lackeys are the worst. Even after they all left Tony’s they set up in similar businesses and they act the way he did and people still fall for it.
sometimes when I meet people from Tony Quinn’s they try to cajole me into going back I always say that he should have been able to get the price if a barber together by now.
I have to go now but I would like to say that my father in law used to know Tony when they were young, from the boxing and he said that Tony was the biggest coward and all the young fellows used to call him lily.
I also find our dialogue very helpful. It is refreshing to have honesty for a change. For many years I felt that what was presented was not actually what their real intentions were. Very few would have known about their real purpose. If he truly believes that he has some unique purpose the time for secrecy is no longer an option. TQ may have been interested in being enlightened but, in hindsight, some decisions he made were very ignorant. I feel it was a power trip right from the start and we now see that making money was a huge part in it. I also saw how people who had talents were encouraged to join the group particularly if they had experience with finance and the rest were used to spread the word, distribute the news paper etc. They were made to feel really special. Only recently I read about the people who used to live in Howth being asked to leave the house so he could sell it. They had given years of their lives to him and were dismissed because they could not accept the changes he was making and, of course, they had not lived up to his expectations. ‘Enlightenment’ is not the word. ‘Opportunistic’ is more like it. It must have been a terrible shock to them. A conversation I overheard between two of his workers, in the early 90′s was very telling. It was clear they policed each other. One was threatening to tell TQ about something the other was doing. Allowing anyone to have such control over someone’s life could be dangerous. As I said before, their loyalty is frightening.
Yes, some would be in favour and some out of favour. I dread to think of the internal battles that went on and still go on although it was obvious who would be on top for the others to kowtow to; the emotional manipulation would be horrendous in a group like that. Their feelings of helplessness and anger, for some, would cause depression particularly if it is internalised. You are well out of it.
Reeling them in is a good way of putting it; you may be familiar with the phrase ‘fishers of men’. His hypnotic suggestion must be very strong and the fact that they were around him for years has engrained it and I also heard that he is not slow to use physical abuse to get them focused on what he wants. It’s a strong hold he has over them. People like you, on the periphery, have a better chance of getting out of it and it’s not easy as you know. It is disconcerting, at this stage, to realise that what the papers were writing about, all those years ago, is true; IT HAS THE HALLMARKS OF A CULT.
The oil business was his downfall. It would seem that TQ was given shares so he did not put any money into it himself and yet he was making a deal to get out of the company and take a huge amount of money for himself. Have you read that he is due in court sometime in June?
Is there any way of getting your money back? Have you been in touch with consumer rights or a solicitor? I don’t know the ins and outs of it myself but it would be interesting to know if anyone else is suing him besides the people with oil shares. It is unbelievable what he did to them. How can a complaint about what is happening be turned into a ‘negativity’? It seems like a real fear they have. I can understand that some people will have a positive effect and some a negative effect on others. This has always been the case. If they deny their own fears how can they deal with other peoples? Do they take responsibility for the negative effect they have had on others? Do they offload their fears onto others? Our dialogue is reminding me of how uncomfortable I felt in their company and how aware I am of people who tend to leave me feeling drained. It’s a strange feeling. Has TQ found some way of taking and using other peoples energy? Is that the secret he is on about? Is this his unique ability? He talks about drawing them out. It is quite possible that others, who ARE enlightened, have known about this for centuries, even the Dali Lama, but there is no record of it being abused that I know of. Any belief system that causes this has to be looked at and those who participate in it need to realise that it can be impairing in some way when used by the likes of TQ. I have also heard that he compares himself to, or is it that he is, Jesus Christ? What he does is the opposite of ‘doing unto others what you would have them do unto you’ if his record is anything to go by.
Is this a battle of supremacy as an earlier e-mail suggested? The picture TQ creates of the new human being, if the people he has is anything to go by, does not appeal to me at all; they are used to carry out his unpleasant work ie turning up at meetings to sabotage peoples efforts to sort out the mess he has created; their outlook on life is narrowed down to what he believes; their ability to think and communicate is impaired; making decisions is frowned on if it does not fit in to what he wants; anyone who does not believe what he says is the enemy (negative); those who do not live up to his standards are shunned no matter how many years they have put in; and using them for what he wants is standard across the board. Some one will have to explain what it is that is so great in a coherent fashion besides a hypnotic suggestion that wears off after a period of time.
The information they put out in their papers as healthy living is off the backs of other peoples hard work so there is nothing original about that.
Like you, there are many out there taking back control of their lives. I’m glad you find our dialogue useful. Stay true to yourself!
Replying to most recent e-mail; Congratulations on getting your son back. Now that’s what I call ‘good news’ when I hear that someone has come away from the TQ group and making their own way in life. It must have been difficult for your family to be told by someone much younger how to live your lives. That’s why I emphasise TQ’s use of hypnosis. It has to be very strong to change someone like your son and other young people who were drawn into this group. I fee quite shocked with your description about how they are with each other. It’s like they want TQ’s attention and want to be ‘chosen’ by him. To encourage jealousy is sick and the back-biting would only cause division between them. For all the good he boasts about doing he treats his workers very badly. I also know that members of the group were told that if their family and friends were against TQ it was because they were jealous of him. The deep unhappiness this rubbish they feed them has caused ructions in families.
I can understand your husband having reservations about posting e-mails. I can assure you that I am genuine and have no reason to doubt those who are honest about what they experienced. A lot of people fear TQ and I believe it is intentional on his part to stop them from speaking out about what is really going on. It doesn’t seem to be working though as more and more people are talking about it and suing him for financial dodgy dealings.
I have come to understand that if people stay around TQ long enough, their minds are messed up to the point where their own personality and true feelings are ignored and, as in the case of your son and many others, are used to sell TQ products by constantly talking about them. As they are indirectly employed they don’t get paid for it. Now I get it. I have heard him talking about ‘employing the self’. In other words he uses them for his own benefit and it doesn’t cost him a penny. Of course he would encourage them to keep going back to the TQ centre and anywhere else they hold their classes and those who give the classes will say the same as him and it becomes almost impossible for them to break away particularly the workers. Yourself and your husband and son coming away from them gives me hope that it is possible and, hopefully, many more will do the same. Unfortunately, it is usually a nasty experience that gives them a chance to think about what is really going on.
I understand that some people who attended the TQ Centre would have gone there because of their interest in spirituality and some continue in their own way to work in this area. We can only hope that they are genuine and not just pushing what TQ does for the wrong reasons. They need to be very aware of the long term effects they have on people that they supposedly help. These ‘genius’s are anything but and if they have any kind of a conscious they will stop playing with peoples mental health. Yes, they do take on TQ mannerisms. Anybody ‘in their right mind’, another phrase they use, would stay well away from them. I don’t think they are in the same league as him, at least, I hope not but people need to be wary of anyone who ‘has the answers’ to how they should live their lives or anyone for that matter who seems hell bent on influencing them in the way TQ does. Most of what they say and write about is impossible to live by anyway but it doesn’t stop them from putting it out there.
Thank you for your courage in posting e-mail and the best of luck to you and your family.
Submitted on 2012/05/31 at 5:19 pm
To Angie: Yes you are right about the house in Howth. A load of people were just literally turfed out on the street because they were not considered enlightened enough. The house was sold to I think it was Glen who rents the rooms to people in Educo. I have met a couple of people who stayed there for awhile and life is made very uncomfortable for those women who are not hero worshipping some of the men living there. Quite a few people have been bullied out by the behaviours of those who don’t approve of them. I haven’t heard anyone speak badly of Glen in this regard I am led to believe that he is a fair and decent landlord.
I doubt that there is any way of getting my money back as TQ’s companies are registered in Jersey and I am not sure that it is possible or get money from a company that is registered in a country that I do not live in. I am not sure I could stomach the fight especially if I am on my own doing so. If a class action was taken by a group of people I would definitely join that as I suspect so would many others.
I really can understand the power of hypnotic suggestion as I know how uncomfortable I feel just thinking about a class action even though I know how badly I was treated and abused. Its incredible that one person can affect your state of mind to the point that you become unsure of what you know is right or wrong and you feel guilty about someone else’s wrong doing.
I would have always said that this wasn’t a cult because you had the freedom to come and go as you please, however I come to believe cults come in many different disguises and even if you don’t necessarily live within a community they can still effect you in ways that you may not be aware of as I am an extremley good example of this as are probably others.
If you asked a member of Educo about me they would tell you that I am negative and trapped in thought because I question things however my friends would tell you for the most part I am a very happy and positive person who for the most part puts a positive spin on things. Of course I have my bad days and can complain like the best of them if I am around complainers but it really isn’t my nature and never has been. A lot of my friends would say that I am a free gentle spirit and I think everyone was shocked when I became involved in this organisation. I am still friendly with all of my friends and I never tried to recruit them. I think deep down I always knew that something just wasn’t right but I have always believed that my friends are adults and if they don’t want to know about TQ fair enough they don’t need me to tell them what to believe.
I think it is true that TQ has found a way of taking other peoples energy. I remember one of the “top brass” telling me that there are ways to block and take someone’s energy if they weren’t doing what was required. I have also read about Buddhist monks taking energy if they are not on an enlightened path. The mind is incredibly powerful and one really requires honest and ethical people to help develop its power and ensure that their energy is used for good and not negative to harm others. I believe there are lot of good people in the world who use the developed energy of the mind for the good of mankind however there will always use this energy for their own self interests at the expense of others. Of course some people reading this would consider these comments to be quite crazy however when you have experienced it you realise that there definitely is more out there but perhaps the reason we are not all enlightened so to speak is because we are not ready for it.
Submitted on 2012/05/31 at 6:12 pm
To Anonymous: I am glad to hear that you got your son back and that he is now happily married and away from the body building side of things. I have a friend who was seriously injured after joining the gym and it took over 2 years for the injuries to heal. This is what happens when people with no proper background in personal training are allowed to be let loose on the unsuspecting public. 2 weeks in the Bahamas does not qualify anyone for my money and health in the gym. This is not a properly regulated course with no real accreditation except perhaps The Irish Holistic Association or something similar which is run by Martin Forde and the organisations attempt to appear respectable.
It is not uncommon for people who have attended the seminars to become know all about everything. It is all part of it and the irony is that TQ will then accuse them of such things.
I was surprised to hear about his mother dying of cancer. The official story is that his mother used to tell him that he had something inside of him and when he realised what that was he would be able to make his dreams happen. It may not have been said exactly like that but it is along those lines. I have a friend who knows one of his cousin. This cousin told my friend that he was brought up by his aunts and uncles because his mother suffered from severe depression. When my friend tried to call this cousin again the calls were refused and it transpired that the cousin was back in the fold. Too damaging for them not to be.
TQ routinely will say on his Sunday seminar to change your memories. If you came last tell yourself you came first. While that may work with some people you run the risk of becoming seriously deluded about ones self and you probably could miss opportunities of help because you always think you are the best.
The jealousy among the closest to TQ is quite shocking. It never ceased to amaze me that they could be so rude about each other but be sweetness and light when they see each other. It keeps people under control when they are sniping because there is a lack of trust and that stops them all from talking to each other. some of the comments that have been attributed to TQ about people have appalled me but then there are others who would say he never passes comment about people. This I don’t believe.
Good luck to you and your family and thank you for having the courage to place your post. I can also understand your husbands reluctance it has taken me a long time to write down my experiences. I am genuine and my experiences are authentic but I found it very difficult to write them down for the longest time because I thought it was something in me that I had done wrong.
Disappointed Educoist; Didn’t notice any bad spelling. Too interested in content. Now that’s a WOW! What a mouthful and I have come to the same conclusion that it is the manipulation of other peoples energy, the goldmine, as he puts it, that he has used over the years. I have gotten so used to thinking that I was crazy it doesn’t really matter any more what other people think of me. God Almighty, we both can’t be crazy for coming to the same conclusion. The people close to him would have stood by and watched him. He obviously went too far with too many of them to cause the havoc ‘brought about’ by his interference of the natural flow of things, if that makes any sense. Jesus help us!!!! Sorry I’m going off on one. Those in the know would have known about this and they used and abused over and over again for their own ends. Is it possible that those close to Tony Quinn were so saturated with his energy that they ‘became him’? They looked and sounded like him. I know, this is getting weird!!! God help them! They are so taken in that they must believe everything he says. I know these people can cause others pain but they need help. Some of them are so far gone they probably don’t recognise themselves in the mirror.
Hopefully there is a class action. It would serve him right. Usually when people pray it is to God, Angels or Guides; the spiritual energy that links us to spirit is what I believe in so I always had a question mark in my mind about where his energy came from as I cannot imagine how he had an easy mind about what he put it into and all he ever referred to it is Life. Maybe there is more for me to work out or maybe not. It is probably a case of coming to terms with what was under our noses for years, but then, religious backgrounds, in the main, do not prepare us for the likes of this. The backlash can be hard when you ask questions. Who would want to admit to all of that? and yet, the signs are there for people to see.
Their advertisements etc, although I would rather see the end of them and the sooner the better, should have a WARNING on them; he talks about expanding the mind, not losing it and losing it would be closer to the truth. They can only get away with it as long as people don’t understand what he is doing.
So, the house in Howth belongs to Glen. He is being used, as they all are and the house is probably in his name only, if you get my drift. I don’t know if any of them would read these e-mails. They probably think TQ, with his special powers, would be on to them and banish them from the fold if they did, but, this is educational material as far as I’m concerned. I hope they do read it. Those who are rejected by the men in Howth house should celebrate because THEY WILL get their lives back and the more help they have to do it the more they will understand how they were taken in by the ones who recruited them. TQ is deluding himself if he thinks people won’t talk about it. It is part of the healing process that they do.
Your comment about ‘not being ready for it’ is so true. To become aware of something as powerful as this requires people who have high moral and ethical standards and I have to believe that there are people in this world who do have these standards and are conscious of their actions. Could this be the real change we must undergo before we are in any position to really help others to change their lives for the better? Is it possible? I cannot see spirit working in any other way. Instead we get someone who is very materialistic and self serving and it has caused so much chaos. People should stay well away from TQ and his ilk. if they think nothing of ‘blocking’ someone just because they are not doing what they want they need to be segregated from the rest of us.
You know you are not crazy and either am I. We asked for the truth and found it. Stay true to yourself!
Submitted on 2012/06/01 at 1:14 pm
To Angie: I am so relieved that I have found someone I can discuss this with. I have held a heavy heart for many years trying to work out if it was all in my mind and if it was something that I have done wrong. I find a lot of the posts about TQ are full of anger and that I understand but I think it is better if peope write their stories with the facts as this would hold more credibility when trying to help others who are also confused. I am not criticisint the angry posts I completely understand but it would not encourage me to get into a dialogue around the subject of TQ.
Funnily enough the night before I went onto the first seminar I had a very strong warning/feeling as I was driving to the airport that I was dealing with the anti-christ and not to go. I have never told anybody this before & I did keep myself on the periphery of the seminar but I probably drew attention to myself by doing this and I would feel energies very clearly. Of course JF was sent in to recruit me back in and of course at the time I was feeling really bad because I didn’t understand what was happening to me. I felt energies on that seminar in way I have never felt them and for the first few months when I returned I continue to feel them. It was quite awful & I had to ask for it all to stop. I was not equipped or prepared for all of this and of course I fell into a dreadful deliberating depression and spent the next number of months trying to work out what was going on.
I was then persuaded to go onto a second seminar and again when I got to the airport I had a very strong premonition not to go and I almost walked out of the airport but I had paid £45,000 and I knew I wouldn’t get the money back.
It was much worse than the first seminar. I am still shocked about what was said to me during that seminar and have only listened to the tape twice. I understand that no-one is a perfect person however TQ took the opportunity to completely destroy me with a bunch of others sitting around agreeing with him. At the end of this session he actually said that I wasn’t that bad and I didn’t deserve all that had been said. Of course it was too late to say that. Again I came back and fell into a depression that sent me suicidal I wasn’t able to work and I think if I hadn’t meditated and read a great deal around these matters I really do dread to think what would have happened.
When I asked for help from the organisation I was told it was normal to to feel like this as I had a lot of clearing to be done. I didn’t know who to talk to and felt that the GP route was not the way. I was pleading with some of them for help I felt so terrible however I was treated with such malice and looked upon as a failure who was trapped in thought and this was from the girls. I kept attending meetings with the hope things would improve and I felt very guilty if I dared question anything. In fact in those meetings it is not encouraged to ask any questions or challenge anything. There is a cohort of people who have permission to speak and if you are outside of this you are basically ignored.
I haven’t been to any meetings for over 18 months now although I had only gone loosely for many years.
I still receive emails and text’s but I just ignore them as I know all about the so called break troughs. Most of the information is already available if you go looking for it and has been around for a long time.
Energy is such a dangerous thing if not properly channelled and yes I think TQ sucks the energy out of people.
I also agree with your comment that some of them become so like him they begin to believe they are him. I know that sounds strange but I have seen people copy TQ to the point of obsession because they think if they do exactly as he does they will reach the same heights of so called enlightenment.
As for the house in Howth I am led to believe that Glen actually bought the house from TQ a number of years ago. I have never heard anyone say that he was anything but a decent fair landlord although I have seen and heard other things he could be accused of.
I feel that I have been lucky to have friends who were very straight with me about what they thought was strange about the whole thing. I don’t think TQ expected me to have the strength to walk away and to continue to question. I know it took a long time because this and a failed business venture cost me everything I had financially. I was in no state of mind to go into business when I did but unfortunately I wasn’t myself. I have now managed to sort out my finances however I am still in debt around the seminars and I have no idea when I will be any position to pay that money back.
You are not crazy this is what they want you to believe to exonerate themselves from what they are doing. Deep down a lot of them know but as you have said they are in too deep to get out.
Disappointed Educoist: I had my reply typed out but somehow I lost it. I am rewriting it so if you get two you will understand why.
My heart goes out to you. To put you through such an ordeal was cruel. No, you certainly were not ready for that and I honestly don’t know why they do it accept to get you on more seminars. No one is ready for that as it is very abusive behaviour. It is quite clear to me that they tricked you into going on a second seminar. It seems that their practice is to destroy any sense of self esteem a person has and then sell them another seminar that will supposedly sort them out. Their behaviour was criminal.
Yes, there are posts where people show their anger and I don’t blame them. I feel quite angry myself when I think about what they are getting away with. I cannot stress enough how glad I am that you did not continue with the seminars. You showed great strength of mind. Having friends who care about you is something to hold on to when you are going through an ordeal like this one. I would encourage you to talk about it to your doctor as you are under his care. Is it a fear of being stigmatised with some kind of mental breakdown? Or that you won’t be understood? If your doctor is not aware of what is happening to you he will not be able to support you when you need it. Get as much support as you possibly can. As you know, there is life after experiencing what you did. It is important that you talk about it. Medical professionals need to know what is going on. Any professional body that is involved with health issues need to be informed.
Although I did not go through what you did on earlier seminars I can see that it was building up to that. I had some horrible experiences in the TQ Centre. I could not believe how nasty they were and did not talk about it for a long time to anyone. The danger of keeping in touch with any of them even though you may not have attended classes for a number of years or months, is they will attempt to pull people back in. I was approached to go on the 15,000 and 20,000 euro seminars. I was shocked at the amount and had no intentions of going. What I was not prepared for was the lengths two people went to to get me to go. I honestly thought I was losing my mind. I can also understand the pull they have because, even though I did not have the money to go, for a short time I considered borrowing it. In the end I was so scared by their behaviour I backed off. I had a sense that they were deliberately targeting me and using some kind of abusive mind techniques. I had a sense that they would milk me for every cent I had and even what I did not yet have. I was encouraged to borrow and told what bank to go to and they tell you what to say. And isn’t it strange that a target may be left with a feeling that they have missed out on something when, in reality, they have escaped from possible physical and certainly mental abuse? I was so used to thinking for myself that I couldn’t fall in with what they were suggesting. Yes, it was evident they had no sense of right and wrong. No wonder the country is is such a financial mess. They also advised on where to borrow the money even though I had no collateral and my wages would no have covered such a huge debt.
The fact that TQ and those who work with him have no feelings towards you and others whose lives they have damaged is good enough reason to put an end to these seminars.
Dialogue attached information to their post that helped me understand how so called gurus can misuse yoga. It seems like a well balanced article. Our experiences are quite similar to other groups. I do question why I sat through seminars as most of the content was about TQ boasting about being self educated. He is that al right; a self proclaimed guru. It would seem that he borrows from yoga teachings and uses the most dangerous approaches in his effort to get what he wants and I include sex abuse. Oh yes, he talks about doing things effortlessly. He does that al right; sits on his behind and insults people till they have a nervous breakdown and his workers use the same methods in the TQ Centre. God help these people. Have they any idea of the damage they do?
If there is any way for you to get your money back please do so. It is not right that you are in debt because of people who have no scruples about using mind techniques to convince others to part with such huge sums of money. Even though people who sell seminars were used by TQ what they have participated is fraudulent practice and they need to be held accountable for their actions.Those closest to him must know by now what his game plan is, and was, right from the beginning.
You mention a cohort of people who are chosen to speak in the group. They are picked because they are under the influence of TQ and the person giving the class. You know now this is their way of controlling the others. It is beyond me how they are able to continue when so much information is out there about the destructive effect they have on peoples lives. What is the government doing about it? It is not enough to say that there is no body set up to complain to. This is too serious to be ignored. The Department of Justice and Education need to read about and listen to complaints and issues of abuse that are arising because of groups like TQ’s . There is a need for educational material and there is a need to start in schools to increase awareness as how else can they protect themselves?
I eventually got counselling that helped me on the road to recovery. There are not many out there trained in counselling in this particular area. It is time something is done about this too! Stay true to yourself!
Disappointed Educoist: I was so angry about what happened to you when I first read your post that I did not take in your description of the energy you felt and that it was so uncomfortable for you that you wanted it to stop. I am familiar with that too. It felt like I was being invaded by someone else. I can fully understand why you would be concerned about what other people thought about it. I don’t fully understand it myself accept in terms of someone else trying to take over my life. TQ does talk about connecting with people and a lot of time is spent doing this particularly in your type of situation.This is another method of keeping control of people; making them feel special that they are accepted into the group and then abused until they comply with what they want. It could be what ‘top brass’ was talking about ie blocking and even increasing energy. Even though it is a concept that many would find hard to believe I think that connection is used to manipulate a person’s energy and even to influence them by. We cannot dismiss his use of hypnosis either. I spent months telling it to get away from me as if it was the devil himself. I was advised by someone who had come across similar fears to pray to the Arch Angel Michael for protection. Since I had a catholic upbringing it seemed like an ok thing to do. For me it works.
What dangerous games they play.
Submitted on 2012/06/01 at 10:43 pm
Disappointed Educoist: You have an enquiring mind and so do I and mine is working overtime here making sense of what happened. Firstly, we all have a source of energy otherwise we would not be alive. What they do is overwhelm people with their way of thinking and their energy. It occurred to me that when TQ talked about our energy getting pushed down because of our conditioning, (and by the way, I don’t believe this) is he not actually doing the same? Conditioning can be done very subtly or over the top as happened to us. When a person has an innate sense of self and is overwhelmed by another would that not damage it and cause terrible confusion and uncertainty? It takes away a person’s ability to be in control of their life. I remember reading an article a number of years ago about a woman who had a nervous breakdown on a seminar and she was hospitalised. At the end of the article Martin Forde made some remark that ‘people let it happen’ or some such. In other words, they allow themselves to be taken over and the impression I got was if they allowed it, well, then he was going to do it. He didn’t explain how he got the person into that state in the first place. He certainly gave no indication that a person might not be in the right state of mind to stop him. Unfortunately it is usually after it happens that they get a sense that something was done to them that leaves a horrible feeling and possibly terrible anger that may be internalised.
I hope our posts reach many many people and I’ll take the opportunity to say to those who are feeling detached or overwhelmed or who are experiencing disturbing feelings to GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!!! When you recognise the signs of it, and knowing why they do it, walk away and don’t go back. Yes, you might feel depressed or worse and it takes a lot of strength to go through it, but, is that not preferable than allowing someone who obviously has no respect for you to use you? Keep faith with yourself. Whatever excuses they make such as, ‘you need a lot of clearing out’, just realise they are talking through their you know what. If you are in mental pain because of what they have done it is a sign that something has gone very badly wrong and IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT!!
Stay true to yourself!
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